Dogs are neutered mainly so they don’t becoem aggressive.
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Alright then until my next meal I am a vegan!
DDifferentiating between species is key. Theres adifference bewteen having a domesticated cat inside 95% of its life and keeping a bird in a cage, when in their natural habitat, the living area would be thousands of time the size.
Neutering insures the pet will not breed, which creates MORE domesticated dogs, many of whom will die in shelters on on the streets. The pains after surgery outweigh the outcomes, which could be death, overpopulation, and the continuation of domesticated animals.
I would only get a pet from an animal shelter. I wouldn’t neuter, and I would get a dog and feed it veges. It’s like how I would never want to make a child. I would adopt.
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So we’d take the moral “high ground” by playing God, and taking away an animal’s right to breed? Following your logic:
~Animal life and human life both have the same value
~It is ethical to neuter/spay animals so they won’t breed and continue to overpopulate the Earth
=>It is morally right to force certain humans to be fixed
Serious question for all you vegan-types out there:
Why animals? If you can make animal life and human life have the same “value”, why can’t that be extended to plant life? Why is it morally “better” to uproot a living carrot, chop it up into little pieces, boil it, and eat it?
What authority makes a deer worth more than a carrot?
I don’t think that’s a serious continuation of logic.
I dont know how you came to the conculsion that certain humans should be fixed. Now, say humans created a “new man” that was designed to be cost effective, exploioted, and wasnt able to take care of themselves. When it comes to the point that millions of these “new men” roam the streets looking for homes, die of starvation, disease, and from the elements, why shouldnt they be sterelized. Either you can give the thing a simple surgery, or risk it procrating and having all of its children die. I dont know, but i think “playing god” here is right, it saves lives without any real negative consequences.
Last time I checked, carrots didnt have emotion, felt pain, were cogitive beings, had a society and family, and means of communication.
And the same logic could be applied to fixing people in Africa due to the high infant mortality rate, or to the overpopulation problem in China, etc.
We’d be saving lives if we went around preventing people from having kids.
So if the animal is mentally disabled, it’s ok to kill and eat?
Probably most non-cannibals wouldn’t eat a brain-dead baby.
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I dont agree with eating anything that is young ie veal, lamb etc. or macdonalds/any other fast food outlet.
Bahahaha! Oh wow, that was both very upsetting and very amusing.
Er…did you mistype this? Non-cannibals wouldn’t eat a baby at all…or any human. In the same way a non-carnivore wouldn’t eat meat. Or a non-herbivore wouldn’t eat plants.
Hopefully those people can be conciousness enough to make those decisions themsleves. I dont think humans should be unwillingly sterelized, but it would be a good thing.
No, with animal welfare aside, eating flesh and meat and arteries and all that fun stuff is disgusting. Its also pretty unhealthy. On top of that, being a primary level consumer uses many less resources than being a tertiary or secondary consumer, because the higer in the food chain you are, the less the amount of original energy is consumed from your prey.
But isn’t one of the main vegan tenets “preventing animal suffering”?
We’ve kind of gotten off subject though…basically, I’m just pointing out what I see as a double standard. If you want to make animals and humans equal, then the same sets of morals would have to apply to both
I’ll use my own judgement on this. Thanks.
Nature must have really messed up with that whole “evolution” thing.
But lets not get into that debate
Which is why there are less humans than everything else.
I meant that our reasons for not eating babies might be that they have the potential to become intelligent, feel pain, etc. But we wouldn’t eat any babies that fell outside that category. So vegans don’t have to eat animals that are as stupid as carrots. The whole ethics of eating different categories of things isn’t really a logical issue I don’t think, just an emotive one.
Don’t know if anyone already posted something about this, and it’s changing the subject a bit, but what does everyone think of lab-grown meat? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4148164.stm
You can grow it from your own cells if you don’t want to use animal cells. In theory.
I’d try it, but I don’t think I actually like meat any more, the idea of eating muscle and fat and all that becomes disgusting when you haven’t eaten it for ages.
I’m not vegan but it’s inconsistent of me not to be.
Theres no double standard because a dog doesnt or is incapible to think, “hmmm, maybe i shouldnt reproduce.” Its instinct. One of the stongest ones. Humans on the other hand are able to resist sex and think more towards the future.
Evolution? We really arent evolved to be meat eaters. If were were, then wouldnt all the vegans and vegetarians be les healthy hthan someone who eats some meat for every meal? Our intestines, teeth, and boides are more like that of herbivores. The reason we can eat and digest meat is a awesoem servial mechanism. But just becuase we can do something, doesnt mean we should.
How about this? if we are evolved to eat meat, id like to see you eat raw flesh off animals for a week. Youd end up in the hospital. Unlike every other carnivore, we dont have claws or sharp teeth. We have larger saliva glands, which help break down carbs. We also lack the desire and want to eat whole animals, and are largely unable to kill our “prey” without tools.
Seriously kids,
condoms.
And you shouldn’t be having sex that young…
People shouldn’t be abused.
Cars shouldn’t be abused.
Therefore cars and people are equal to each other.
Why does that connection make sense to you?