A little alternative politics

With all the threads relating to american politics that are about at the moment I thought it’d be nice to get people’s views on the hot topic in Britiish politics at the moment .

Namely, the ban on hunting with dogs (for you americans, what you call hunting we in Britain call stalking. Hunting in this instance refers to the act of chasing and killing your chosen quarry, usually foxes. But also hares and deer with dogs ). For those of you who don’t follow the antics of Mr Blair and his New labour buddies(New Labour…Neo Conservatism, anyone spot the connection? That’s right, those belonging to each group are all lying fucks.) The labour government is currently in the process of getting a law passed to stop hunting with dogs, mostly on animal cruelty grounds, but also to try and redeem their (pfft) socialist credentials. As hunting is seen as being for the upper classes.

The pro hunt lobby has been getting more and more pissed off the further along the law goes to becoming enacted. And they have been taking stronger and stroger action…Even resorting to breaking the law in many of their direct actions. Many pro hunt supporters have been giving direct threats to some of the politicians who have been the biggest suporters of the anti hunt bill, and many have also been damaging property of said politicians.

Five Pro hunt supporters even managed to gain access to the floor of the house of commons during the vote on the hunting bill. It was pretty damned amusing watchiing the commons security chaps, armed with nothing more than a sword and a fetching pair of tights trying to get them out of the house of commons.

My own personal opinion, having seen both sides of the hunt debate first hand. (My grandpa took me on hunts when I was a kiddy wink. And I’m now a fairly dedicated hippy being involved with Greenpeace and other such organisations) is that they should leave the hunters to it. Since with modern farming the way it is foxes are going to continue to be killed even if/when the bill becomes law. And having seen hunts first hand I can testify to the fact that being killed with dogs is no less cruel or distressing to the fox than being shot, poisoned or trapped. Poisoning is a long and slow death, as is trapping. And shooting them, if you don’t kill the fox with your first bullet and it’s wounded, it can run quite a distance and it will again die a long painful death.

So I say leave the hunters to it. If they want to have a get together at silly times in the morning and get cold whilst the better dressed ones gad about on horseback chasing a fox through the british countryside then leave them to it. However what I certainly am NOT happy about is the methods the pro hunt lobby are using to protest against the bill.

They are using violent direct action to defend the rights of a minority of the population to continue hunting. When they are the first to complain about peaceful direct actions by groups such as Greenpeace who are taking action to help not a minority to continue to be able to take part in their preferred pastime. But who are taking direct action in order to benefit EVERY bugger on the planet and prevent more damage being done to our planet. Oh, and also the countryside alliance can go and stick their heads in a bucket of lard…numpties

Anyhoo…anyone else got opinions on the issue. If you have, here’s the place for them.
Kit

Re: A little alternative politics

Irrespective on my own opinions with regard to hunting, I tend to agree with you. The hunting of animals is within that category of behaviors, among them consumption of alcohol and drugs, smoking (different from the previous in that the user does not become “high” or impaired in the short term), that no amount of legislation will prevent and so should be regulated not banned.

Edit: Hmm, occurs to me that no amount of legislation will prevent murder or accounting fraud, but I think my point is clear.

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

i haven’t been caught short of an opinion since i got slapped on the back for sharing my first (and uncannily accurate) one

nah, sorry, leave them foxes alone
if u want to hunt, knock yourself out, drag hunts were invented just for u
and the foxes kinda dig it as well i suppose
i am a screaming bunny-hugger and am opposed to all forms of small-penis-compensation
especially when it involves the needless killing of animals
dont even mention hunting unless it’s your sole source of survival food
in effective wildlife management, don’t talk to me about culling, pull down the fences

What song’s that from?
Sounds like you would probably enjoy a band called seize the day if you don’t already

Kit

Re: Re: A little alternative politics

There you go again, getting me to agree with you. Though I myself have no interest in hunting, I certainly see why people would do it. Hunting a fox with dogs seems pretty natural to me. Nature can be quite cruel, so stopping the hunts isn’t going to change nature. It will still be cruel. What’s the next law they will try to pass, stopping the fox from eating the bunnies, stopping the lions from eating the zebra, stopping cats from eating rats?

As for murder, I have no problem passing laws that protect my rights, that is actually a proper function of government. Fox hunting isn’t violating anyones rights. Don’t give me this crap about it violating the foxes rights. The fox doesn’t have any more rights than celery. If you insist on giving rights to the fox were do you stop?

this one

i’ll check it out
how many albums do they have out?
where do i start?

and they say POLITICS makes for strange bedfellows? :thinking:

now that would be as strange as passing laws that make nature against the law
like the legislation banning marijuana use :roll_eyes:

no, i’m happy to keep laws to conducting/controlling the affairs of humans
especially since they should’ve known better than to create the need for the law in the first place

Nothing wrong with hunting, too bad you can’t hunt hippies :smiley:

Yes, but have you ever encountered a hippie with a rifle? Sharp shooters they are, with nerves of steel–don’t let the long hair fool you…it’s excellent camaflague!:wink:

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I agree with you for the most part. HOWEVER… :roll_eyes:
Foxes do have more rights than a piece of celery. If you poured gosoline on a piece of celery and lit it on fire while it was still alive, I doubt anyone would care (unless you’re in someone else’s garden at the time), but if you did the same thing to a fox, I’ll bet you’d have the ASPCA after you pretty quick. Animals do have rights in the system in which we live. Violating those rights is called cruelty to animals. I’m not saying that hunting foxes with dogs is cruelty to animals, but others may interperet it that way.

Here’s a tiny bit of thread jacking, but true to the point: here in upstate New York (Schenectady, to be precise) someone is in the news for slaughtering a goat in their backyard. If it weren’t for the many many shows I’ve seen on History Channel, I may have been offended. But we are so sanitized in my country (United States.) What if this person were hungry (very likely, in Schenectady.) In the natural world, and the third world, animals are killed, for food, for religious sacrifice, every day.

I don’t buy the argument that hunting is ok because it is natural. When animals routinely take part in all kinds of cruelty towards eachother they’re just being animals. If the standards where the same for both animals and people a whole bunch of species would be looking at life in prison.

Before zod shoots me, let me just say that I’m not against hunting, just against that argument.

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