36er tyres - which is best?

Have you gone tubeless as well Tony?

My bike mechanic got frustrated having to do the conversion for the third time and stuck half the bottle of Stans into the tyre :smiley: Now it’s probably as heavy as a non-tubeless tyre. It rides nicer though.

Yes, I’d tracked down all the old threads about the first tubeless conversions - sounded really interesting. But I couldn’t find anybody who’d run tubeless on the Wheel TA - I guess it’s a niche of a niche, which happens to actually be empty in this case! :slight_smile:

Thanks for your help.

Sounds good.

Have you tried the stock coker for a point of comparison?

My searching mostly suggests that although the Coker tyre is a little lighter, the Wheel TA is a much smoother ride. I was originally leaning towards buying the Coker for the knobby tread pattern, but if the Wheel TA is significantly nicer to ride then I think that’ll be the way to go.

coker tyre i fine more practical, it’s ok on road and on gravel / off road. and 200mile lifespan difference on the 2 tyres i pref the coker one.

coker 800miles/1300km
radial 1000miles/1600km

lagalicious

I think the difference in mileage is going to be ALOT more than 200 miles, look at the 12th post at this link Wheel TA 36-inch Street Tire Review

Whats tubeless???

I think the differences between the two tires are subtle at best.

Tha being said, I prefer the Wheel TA for its road handling. Going straight, I don’t think there’s much difference, but the Whel TA has noticably easier turning.

The coker tire might be better off-road, but I’ve used the Wheel TA off-road also, and I can’t say it was dramatically different. (the coker tire isn’t THAT knobby anyways).

So, to recap.

Wheel TA better for road, but still fine offroad
Coker better for offroad, but still fine for road.

The Wheel TA is supposedly heavier, but I didn’t notice.

I can’t imagine that going tubeless would be any different between the two.

My advice? Flip a coin. (If it lands on its edge, get the Wheel TA)

what is tubeless?

Tubeless is simply that: a conversion to allow you to run the tyre without an inner tube. The Stan’s kit supports sizes up to 36" wheels, and includes sealant to “heal” any punctures that occur in the tyre itself.

It saves weight, adds self-healing (though you can do that by having a self-sealing tube

I don’t know if you noticed my thread a while back but the coker brand tire was in very limited quantities at that time. The only place I could find one was through Bedford @ $30 more than the TA due to price and the shiping from Canada. Might be the determining factor for you.

D’oh! Just noticed your on the other side of the pond there Mark so scratch that last post.

But while I’m trying to save face, does Stans make a 36" rim strip for this application or do they strech a 29er to fit??? I’m in the process of building a coker and have the 29" strips and Stans gooo which I was going to sell but should I try and use them on a airfoil rim with a TA tire?

Thanks for the heads up about tyre availability - but as you’ve noticed, I’m in the UK :wink: I think UDC UK have both tyres in stock at the moment.

Stan told me to fill in the order and ask for the 36in rim strip in the notes section of the order form - so it sounds like it’s a different strip.

Stretching a 29er strip might work though I guess … not sure as I’ve never done a tubeless conversion! I’ve also seen a suggestion that you could make a rim strip by cutting up the coker 'tube but I’m not sure anyone has tried that.

Stan is great to deal with- he answered the emails personally, amd made a custom 36" rim strip for my Coker. Judging by the number of people who have now done the conversion, he’s probably got those measurements already.

Good news! I got a flat on my Coker today during a ride. It also happens to be the first time that I have ever gotten a flat during a unicycle ride. Woot! It looks like the flat was due to a blackberry thorn, but I can’t say for sure because whatever caused the puncture didn’t stay in the tire.

Anyways, this gives me the perfect opportunity and perfect excuse to put on the TA tire that I have. My Coker tire still has plenty of rubber on it left, but I’m going to put it in storage as a spare and use the TA. I’ll give the TA a test ride tomorrow.

I hope I don’t end up experiencing a similar excuse to go tubeless.

I rode my Coker for several years with the stock tire and then after trying a NYUC club member’s Coker with the TA tire, I immediately switched to the TA tire because I found it to be significantly smoother. I even wrote a review of the tire that I posted here:

Wheel TA 36-inch Street Tire Review

I believe I was probably a bit hasty in writing that review and probably should have waited until I had logged more time on the TA tire, however, because now - after riding the TA tire for quite a while - I realize that I definitely prefer the Coker tire.

The two main reasons I don’t like the TA tire (for my particular style of riding) are:

  1. It has worse traction on wet roads
  2. It sometimes feels unstable to me when making very aggressive, banked turns

If you ride somewhat cautiously in the rain (like most normal people would), the TA tire is probably ok on wet pavement… and if you make standard turns (not really leaned over), the TA tire is fine and you may prefer it over the Coker tire because of the smoothness of the ride.

I think the problem with the TA tire in aggressively banked turns is the profile of the tire. The TA tire has ridges (for lack of a better term) on both sides of the tire and I think that probably accounts for the unstable feeling I get when I abruptly put the Coker into a heavily leaned turn…. it’s almost like a squishy feeling – which I never got on the Coker tire. I’m definitely going to sacrifice the smoother ride of the TA tire and switch back to my trusty Coker tire :D.

The differences you noticed between the TA and the Coker tire could be due to differences in rubber compound used and not differences due to the tread pattern. I don’t think the TA is using the same type of rubber as the Coker tire. The Coker tire may have rubber that is softer and more sticky. Given that the two tires wear differently I suspect that they are using a different rubber compound with different riding properties.

does tubeless work on trials uniis?

Yup - did it just before the Rotorua to Taupo 100km. I honestly can’t feel any difference in how my coker rides now that it is tubeless. What difference can you feel Gizmo?

knobbytracks - yes Stans do make a 36" rim strip by special request. However it is also possible to split a 28", or better, a 29" inner tube and use that as the rim tape. This is what my bike mechanic used as he couldn’t get a 36" rim tape at short notice.

Nope. First time your tire folds over goo will fly all over you and everything within 10 feet.