# 3.8:1 geared direct drive wonderhub
**URL:** https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110
**Category:** Unicycles and Equipment
**Created:** [August 2, 2013, 8:31am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110 "2013-08-02T08:31:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@waaalrus](https://unicyclist.com/u/waaalrus)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 8:31am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/1 "2013-08-02T08:31:13Z")
Due to my continued interest in freewheel unicycling I read a lot about drift trikes and I came across this interesting photo:
[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=209785005843501&set=a.202247416597260.1073741829.202004626621539&type=1&ref=nf](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=209785005843501&set=a.202247416597260.1073741829.202004626621539&type=1&ref=nf)
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> JR Drift Trikes
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> We’ve got both our prototype trikes running the 3.8:1 geared direct drive wonderhub, aka the game changer! Both have got our custom JR rotors on them, the white one now has a post mount holding the brake calliper
Notice the Nimbus Venture cranks! This doesn’t work for freewheel unicycling because it’s direct drive but I’m curious if anyone’s seen anything like this. Is it maybe a regular bike hub and they mounted the cranks in a special way? It looks like there may be more developments soon and maybe they’ll give out more information.
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### Author:  [@tholub](https://unicyclist.com/u/tholub)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 8:46am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/2 "2013-08-02T08:46:56Z")
> [@waaalrus](#):
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> Due to my continued interest in freewheel unicycling I read a lot about drift trikes and I came across this interesting photo:
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> [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=209785005843501&set=a.202247416597260.1073741829.202004626621539&type=1&ref=nf](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=209785005843501&set=a.202247416597260.1073741829.202004626621539&type=1&ref=nf)
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> Notice the Nimbus Venture cranks! This doesn’t work for freewheel unicycling because it’s direct drive but I’m curious if anyone’s seen anything like this. Is it maybe a regular bike hub and they mounted the cranks in a special way? It looks like there may be more developments soon and maybe they’ll give out more information.
Interesting. With internal planetary gearing the best you can do, theoretically, is 2:1, and in practice the best you can do is a lot less than that. (The Schlumpf is 1.54:1). Maybe there’s a hidden jackshaft in there somewhere?
The big questions are the amount of backlash, and the behavior when pedaling backwards; the NuVinci hub, for example, doesn’t really have backwards ability, although Justin managed to modify it to make it possible to use on a uni. (At a weight penalty of 12 pounds).
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### Author:  [@jtrops](https://unicyclist.com/u/jtrops)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 9:04am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/3 "2013-08-02T09:04:02Z")
> [@tholub](#):
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> Interesting. With internal planetary gearing the best you can do, theoretically, is 2:1, and in practice the best you can do is a lot less than that. (The Schlumpf is 1.54:1). Maybe there’s a hidden jackshaft in there somewhere?
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> The big questions are the amount of backlash, and the behavior when pedaling backwards; the NuVinci hub, for example, doesn’t really have backwards ability, although Justin managed to modify it to make it possible to use on a uni. (At a weight penalty of 12 pounds).
I wonder how heavy this hub is. A lot of the backlash in typical IG hubs is due to the need for shifting. Since this hub is a single gear it seems logical that it would have much less backlash (although not completely without).
So, with a 20" wheel this would equate to a 76" gear? That is a huge wheel. I don’t know if I could push that with cranks short enough to clear the ground on a small wheel.
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### Author:  [@tholub](https://unicyclist.com/u/tholub)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 9:10am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/4 "2013-08-02T09:10:27Z")
> [@jtrops](#):
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> I wonder how heavy this hub is. A lot of the backlash in typical IG hubs is due to the need for shifting. Since this hub is a single gear it seems logical that it would have much less backlash (although not completely without).
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> So, with a 20" wheel this would equate to a 76" gear? That is a huge wheel. I don’t know if I could push that with cranks short enough to clear the ground on a small wheel.
Whether or not a planetary hub is shiftable, it will have backlash; it’s a function of the gear teeth moving from one side of the groove to the other. Harper’s hub had more backlash than the Schlumpf does, mostly because Harper’s not Swiss (the tolerances weren’t as tight).
A 76" gear would not be a problem to ride once you got it up to speed. Getting it up to speed would be a challenge.
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### Author:  [@MuniOrBust](https://unicyclist.com/u/MuniOrBust)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/5 "2013-08-02T09:43:55Z")
Why is everyone quoting the post directly above theirs? Isn’t that a given? 😛
Sorry… just something I noticed. 🙂
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### Author:  [@jtrops](https://unicyclist.com/u/jtrops)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 9:50am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/6 "2013-08-02T09:50:06Z")
> [@tholub](#):
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> Whether or not a planetary hub is shiftable, it will have backlash; it’s a function of the gear teeth moving from one side of the groove to the other. Harper’s hub had more backlash than the Schlumpf does, mostly because Harper’s not Swiss (the tolerances weren’t as tight).
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> A 76" gear would not be a problem to ride once you got it up to speed. Getting it up to speed would be a challenge.
I know there will be backlash, but much of the regular backlash is designed into the hub to allow the key to move in the keyway. Without having to release the key, and slide it into a new position you would be allowed to tighten up the tolerance quite a bit.
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### Author:  [@harper](https://unicyclist.com/u/harper)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 11:30am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/7 "2013-08-02T11:30:25Z")
> [@tholub](#):
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> Interesting. With internal planetary gearing the best you can do, theoretically, is 2:1, and in practice the best you can do is a lot less than that. (The Schlumpf is 1.54:1). Maybe there’s a hidden jackshaft in there somewhere?
Compound gears can be put into a planetary hub. It’s only simple gearing that imposes the theoretical 2:1 limit.
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### Author:  [@tholub](https://unicyclist.com/u/tholub)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/8 "2013-08-02T11:49:58Z")
> [@harper](#):
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> Compound gears can be put into a planetary hub. It’s only simple gearing that imposes the theoretical 2:1 limit.
Fair enough, but wouldn’t that require three sets of planets?
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### Author:  [@harper](https://unicyclist.com/u/harper)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/9 "2013-08-02T13:56:39Z")
> [@tholub](#):
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> Fair enough, but wouldn’t that require three sets of planets?
I’ve never looked at space constraints for compound geared fixed hubs. In the case of a compound planet gear, the sun can be big, the part of the compound planet contacting the sun can be small, and the part of the compound planet contacting the ring can be big. the hub starts getting big as the ring gear necessarily expands. There is also a limit to how big the the larger of the compound planet gears can get because they start crashing into the axle.
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### Author:  [@waaalrus](https://unicyclist.com/u/waaalrus)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2013, 1:33pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/10 "2013-08-23T13:33:05Z")
I guess I don’t understand the term “direct drive” very well. It sometimes seems to be used in conjunction (as opposed to contrast) with freewheel. Looking at the video it looks like this hub does freewheel which means I may need try one on a unicycle.
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf1Gdc9a4Ts)
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### Author:  [@waaalrus](https://unicyclist.com/u/waaalrus)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2013, 9:08am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/11 "2013-09-17T09:08:08Z")
I checked with the makers and the bad news is that these are custom dropouts so if you want to make a unicycle out of it without a lot of modification you’ll need to use their forks which limits the size of the wheel to 20". The good news is that they will be selling these front ends separately so I think the only thing you would need to do is notch the steering tube and put in a unicycle seat post and seat post bolt. Pricing is still forthcoming but I’m excited about the possibility of a 20" wheel geared up to feel like 76".
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### Author:  [@aracer](https://unicyclist.com/u/aracer)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/12 "2013-09-17T12:20:30Z")
> [@waaalrus](#):
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> I’m excited about the possibility of a 20" wheel geared up to feel like 76".
You might be the only one. Well I suppose to be fair I am quite excited about the idea of seeing somebody attempt to ride one 😉
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### Author:  [@Shmolagin](https://unicyclist.com/u/Shmolagin)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/13 "2013-09-17T13:59:19Z")
> [@aracer](#):
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> You might be the only one. Well I suppose to be fair I am quite excited about the idea of seeing somebody attempt to ride one 😉
My thoughts exactly.
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### Author:  [@jaco\_flans](https://unicyclist.com/u/jaco_flans)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/14 "2013-09-17T14:38:14Z")
> [@aracer](#):
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> You might be the only one. Well I suppose to be fair I am quite excited about the idea of seeing somebody attempt to ride one 😉
I’d ride it to school! I need a faster uni without killing my Muni tire on pavement. The 20" wheel would even fit in my locker! 😃
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### Author:  [@johnfoss](https://unicyclist.com/u/johnfoss)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2013, 11:03am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/15 "2013-09-19T11:03:59Z")
> [@waaalrus](#):
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> I guess I don’t understand the term “direct drive” very well. It sometimes seems to be used in conjunction (as opposed to contrast) with freewheel. Looking at the video it looks like this hub does freewheel…
If I understand correctly, Direct Drive means you are directly driving the wheel, like a unicycle or a tricycle. I do not know if this allows for a gearing system in between.
Fixed Gear (or Fixie) means there is no freewheel. Whatever the gear is, that’s all you get, forward or backward. So those trikes may be direct drive, but they are not fixies.
> [@waaalrus](#):
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> …I’m excited about the possibility of a 20" wheel geared up to feel like 76".
It’ll be rideable, but very sluggish. Don’t listen to the naysayers.
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### Author:  [@Yeti](https://unicyclist.com/u/Yeti)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/16 "2013-09-21T23:05:07Z")
Is there a close-up shot of that hub?
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### Author:  [@waaalrus](https://unicyclist.com/u/waaalrus)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/17 "2013-09-22T20:57:04Z")
> [@Yeti](#):
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> Is there a close-up shot of that hub?
I haven’t seen one. I’ll post one when I make a unicycle version when they come out, in December or so.
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### Author:  [@Shmolagin](https://unicyclist.com/u/Shmolagin)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2013, 5:07am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/18 "2013-09-23T05:07:35Z")
> [@waaalrus](#):
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> I haven’t seen one. I’ll post one when I make a unicycle version when they come out, in December or so.
This’ll be worth waiting for!
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### Author:  [@Klaas\_Bil](https://unicyclist.com/u/Klaas_Bil)
#### Post date: [September 26, 2013, 11:44am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/19 "2013-09-26T11:44:02Z")
> [@MuniOrBust](#):
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> Why is everyone quoting the post directly above theirs? Isn’t that a given? 😛
> Sorry… just something I noticed. 🙂
It isn’t necessarily directly above. See, if I hadn’t quoted you, who would know what it was about?
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### Author:  [@waaalrus](https://unicyclist.com/u/waaalrus)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2013, 6:45am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/3-8-1-geared-direct-drive-wonderhub/121110/20 "2013-12-17T06:45:44Z")
A little more information on this project.
[JR Drift Trikes](https://www.facebook.com/JrDriftTrikes)
“Here’s a little sneak peek of our highly anticipated 3.8 GC hub! 48 spoke, disc brake ready and geared at 3.8:1 to launch you into warp speed! Who wants a go on one of these then!?!”
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