900-1000g 36" tire, anyone interested?

[GizmoDuck]

I don't have a login for MTBR, perhaps someone could link them to this forum? They did ask for Unicyclists opinions...and this is the best place for it.

I'll probably take at least 2 tyres...I've gone through at least 5 or 6 36'er tyres. Some died, some wore out, but not a single one of them were as light as I wanted them to be.

Regarding rims- I hope they can make it easier to remove. Not too fussed about braking surface as my next Uni will be disc compatible. In fact, it makes for a lighter rim, I'm all for it.

[uniaddict]

F**k yea!

I'll take one!

[naturequack]

I've been wanting a light 36 tire for years. I'm in.
Where do I sign?
Who do I pay?
When does it get here?

Geoff

[Nurse Ben]

Everyone who rides or is considering riding a 36er needs to vote.

Walt of Walts Bicycle Works is a long time industry guy and he has the contacts to make this happen.

A lighter tire is the single best thing that could happen to 36ers, at least now that there's a disc brake option

Get a log in for MTBR and vote!!!!!!!

[scotthue]

Hey guys, I thought it would be helpful to actually be helpful to make a list. This doesn't mean that you PROMISE to buy that many tires, but try to actually be honest. I tried to get the list right from the posts above but I made a few assumptions. Feel free to correct it. I know that there would be a HUGE number of riders that would want a tire if they knew this was serious or were on the forums (regularly). Maybe UDC US or UK would be interested in purchasing a batch... Either way I'm sure Roger would want to buy a few.


2 Eric P (saskatchewanian)
2 Scott Wilton
2 Ken Looi
1 David Hood
5 Jogi
2 Daytripper63
2 David (DancesOnH20)
1 uniaddict
1 Geoff (naturequack)
1 Nurse Ben
____
19 Total

[magnustudios]

Ordered by quantity. I'd be buying a second one as soon as I could afford it, to experiment with (altering the tread if it's really bumpy, etc).

Since there has been a bunch of discussion regarding possible tread patterns, maybe we could also list the style of riding we do most with our 36ers? I know forum polls get a lot of hate here, but 36er riding style does seem to lend itself a bit to a poll... Though keeping it with this list lets you weight your vote by the number of tires you intend to buy.


5 Jogi
2 Eric P (saskatchewanian)
2 Scott Wilton
2 Ken Looi
2 Daytripper63
2 David (DancesOnH20)
1 David Hood
1 uniaddict
1 Geoff (naturequack)
1 Nurse Ben
1 - Road - Phil (magnustudios)
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20

[MuniAddict]

Originally Posted by magnustudios

5 jogi
2 terry (unigeezer)
2 eric p (saskatchewanian)
2 scott wilton
2 ken looi
2 daytripper63
2 david (dancesonh20)
1 david hood
1 uniaddict
1 geoff (naturequack)
1 nurse ben
1 - road - phil (magnustudios)

22

[scotthue]

Dunno how you lost the capital letters Terry...

5 Jogi
2 Terry (unigeezer)
2 Eric P (saskatchewanian)
2 Scott Wilton [preference: road tire, would buy either]
2 Ken Looi
2 Daytripper63
2 David (DancesOnH20)
1 David Hood
1 uniaddict
1 Geoff (naturequack)
1 Nurse Ben
1 - Road - Phil (magnustudios)
____
22

[trepper687]

I don't think that I want one. I like the whole idea, but I like my 36 for road, my 26 for offroad. If they make an on-road version, then count me the eff in.

[MuniAddict]

Originally Posted by trepper687

I don't think that I want one. I like the whole idea, but I like my 36 for road, my 26 for offroad. If they make an on-road version, then count me the eff in.

I'm pretty sure there will be a road version, and just because it may not have a traditional smooth tread, doesn't mean it won't be excellent for the road. The nightrider works well for the road as well as offroad, and I much prefer it over the TA, which looks much more like a traditional road tire.

[trepper687]

Originally Posted by MuniAddict

I'm pretty sure there will be a road version, and just because it may not have a traditional smooth tread, doesn't mean it won't be excellent for the road. The nightrider works well for the road as well as offroad, and I much prefer it over the TA, which looks much more like a traditional road tire.

Good point.
If I can find a hundred dollaz, then count me in. Maybe through continued road use I can wear the knobs out and save even more weight! Anyway.

[mbeardsl]

Originally Posted by adelman

Regarding a rim -- keep in mind that the hub choices for unicycles would dictate that the rim be 36 hole.

How about a nice set of double-butted spokes in this length? 2.0/1.8/2.0mm

Ken

We all have 36h rims, so we all have 36h hubs. New rim would be the same.
No idea on spokes, not my line of work

Originally Posted by DancesOnH2O

regarding the rims... what type of cross-section are we talking about? Also, any expectation of machined braking surfaces? (disk brakes are just starting to approach moderate popularity amongst unis).

Oh, on the tires, the more road-friendly the better... fine knobs at most, but center ridge or smooth even better.

Thanks for all the work on this, and I hope that we unicyclists support enough demand to help it come to completion.

Yes, double wall boxed, somewhere around 30mm wide, hopefully the same ERD as the current rim so as to not necessarily need new spokes for everyone. I don't believe there will be a braking surface but we haven't even started on that project, and won't until tires are out (see below). I think the tires will end up being more like option B than A given the much higher demand in the MTBR boards (~150 for "knobby", ~20 for "road friendly"). As we gather more details we will likely post a poll on a few different treads here and on MTBR to get as much input as possible.

Originally Posted by saskatchewanian

There are way more on-road than off-road 36er riders in the unicycle world. A lighter rim would be great for the roadies except for one problem, on todays frames the magura brake mounts are set up for a rim in the 35-48mm width range. If it is much skinnier than the current rims (which I imagine it would be) than the rim may be limited to those who ride brakeless or with disks. I say leave the braking surface plain.

I hope option A is not inflated and will round out like option B. A should be a decent all-round tread.

sidenote: A and B are our choices at this point of the game so this is moot but I despise most smooth centre rib/ aggressive side knob patterns. They tend to suck at both on and off road. The problem is the transition between smooth and knobbed. I like consistent grip across the whole tire profile, a ramped micro-knobby will roll just fine.

Yes you are right, will be narrower and likely not have a braking surface. We are trying to get a sample of the tires to see what they look like in person inflated etc and will report once we know.

I agree re your side note as does Walt. Jack of all trades but master of none. Unfortunately it will come down to pleasing the majority as that's who will be paying.

I would be interested in doing a run of road tires if there were enough demand assuming we can get this off-road batch done successfully and it goes well from a $ standpoint.

Originally Posted by naturequack

Where do I sign?
Who do I pay?
When does it get here?

Geoff

Don't know, don't know, don't know. We literally started this week in gathering info and getting the basics hammered out. Zero details so far so be patient (everyone)

[MuniAddict]

Originally Posted by trepper687

Good point.
If I can find a hundred dollaz, then count me in. Maybe through continued road use I can wear the knobs out and save even more weight! Anyway.

I think also that there is a point at which a tire can become to weak for its intended purpose if it becomes to lightweight. A lighter 36er tire would be great, but with a tire that big, it needs a certain stability to perform well and also last a reasonable amount of time.

If They make the new tires with a minimum of tread, maybe one less ply and no wire bead, it might compromise the strength and life of the tire, and possibly make it more prone to blowing off the rim or vulnerable to punctures. But I am all for a lighter 36er tire, but hopefully one that won't be inferior in other areas.

[mbeardsl]

Originally Posted by scotthue

Maybe UDC US or UK would be interested in purchasing a batch... Either way I'm sure Roger would want to buy a few.

I'll ask Roger, although I'd think they'd want to sell what they've had commissioned as they will get them at wholesale and with these new tires they'd essentially become a second hand retailer (I hope or we'd be risking personal cash for a lot more risk). Not a bad idea though. It would only help all of us if they committed to a couple hundred as it would drive the cost down.

Also, not that it will skew the results much, but is there a way to show on your list below who voted on the MTBR poll so we can keep track of additional demand here (maybe a "MTBR" next to the name)? We're showing 8 over there for Unis but that may or may not be included in your total here.

Thanks!

Matt

BTW- Eric linked this thread from the MTBR one so we ARE watching this one too and appreciate the thoughtful input. We did not expect this many responses and are more optimistic in making this a reality.

[trepper687]

Originally Posted by MuniAddict

I think also that there is a point at which a tire can become to weak for its intended purpose if it becomes to lightweight. A lighter 36er tire would be great, but with a tire that big, it needs a certain stability to perform well and also last a reasonable amount of time.

If They make the new tires with a minimum of tread, maybe one less ply and no wire bead, it might compromise the strength and life of the tire, and possibly make it more prone to blowing off the rim or vulnerable to punctures. But I am all for a lighter 36er tire, but hopefully one that won't be inferior in other areas.

I agree, I don't think I would get one if they were only one ply, but that is just from my unicycle perspective. If the tread decides to wear out on me though, then theres nothing I can do about that. Since bikes have the weight of the rider spread out onto two tires they probably don't need it to be as thick as we do. If that is the case, then I hope they make this tire thick enough for us and not just the majority.