Sexist dress code rules... your thoughts?

[dudewithasock]

Originally Posted by Goats_On_Unicycles

Should someone be respect or not based on how they wear their clothes?

Uh. Yes.

A person's first impression of you is how you're dressed. If you dress modestly and professionally, well, then you gain respect immediately. If you dress like a slob...well, you can finish that thought.

It's no one's fault that it's this way, that's just how it is.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Originally Posted by dudewithasock

Uh. Yes.

A person's first impression of you is how you're dressed. If you dress modestly and professionally, well, then you gain respect immediately. If you dress like a slob...well, you can finish that thought.

It's no one's fault that it's this way, that's just how it is.

So do you aprove of it?

I dress all sorts of ways whenever I can.
If you met me one day, you'd probably think I was a punk rocker. On other days, I'd be a country boy, a crossdresser, a hippie, a slut, a mormon or a metal rocker. I could look rude, gross, cute, girly, boyish, tough, emo or whatever.

I personally wouldn't put myself into any of those categories. At least, not all the way.
I know that people are judged by their apearence but they shouldn't be. It's not accurate and it needs to be changed.

[Borges]

Originally Posted by cathwood

Absolutely, you see to me 'girly' isn't an insult.

It looks to me like it's tougher for a boy girly than for a girl to be boyish (my personal observation, not my personal oppinion). I thought we'd see more things move away from being gender specific, but i'm not really seing it happen. Guys can have long hair now, and women can wear "mens clothes", but things are not really moving when it comes to what men can wear. Maybe it's because in the collective unconsious* masculine = power and it's ok to move up the ranks, but not to move down.
Does that make any sense?

*)That may not be the correct term, I hope I make myself understood anyway.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Originally Posted by Borges

It looks to me like it's tougher for a boy girly than for a girl to be boyish (my personal observation, not my personal oppinion). I thought we'd see more things move away from being gender specific, but i'm not really seing it happen. Guys can have long hair now, and women can wear "mens clothes", but things are not really moving when it comes to what men can wear. Maybe it's because in the collective unconsious* masculine = power and it's ok to move up the ranks, but not to move down.
Does that make any sense?

*)That may not be the correct term, I hope I make myself understood anyway.

I crossdress. I think it looks good.
But I get a lot of shit from my dad and boy-friends. Not from my mom or girl-friends.
To me, it's a case of boys not accepting femininity in other boys, not of people (girls and boys both) trying to be more masculine.

[Borges]

Originally Posted by Goats_On_Unicycles

To me, it's a case of boys not accepting femininity in other boys, not of people (girls and boys both) trying to be more masculine.

What I don't understand is why it's harder for boys to accept feminimity than for girls to accept masculinity. Maybe it's just irrational and I'm overthinking it.

[mornish]

Originally Posted by Borges

It looks to me like it's tougher for a boy girly than for a girl to be boyish (my personal observation, not my personal oppinion). I thought we'd see more things move away from being gender specific, but i'm not really seing it happen. Guys can have long hair now, and women can wear "mens clothes", but things are not really moving when it comes to what men can wear. Maybe it's because in the collective unconsious* masculine = power and it's ok to move up the ranks, but not to move down.
Does that make any sense?

*)That may not be the correct term, I hope I make myself understood anyway.

Come to southern california, most of the people here have long hair
surfing civilization...

and yes, I totally agree that it is weird that it is acceptable to be a tomboy if you are a girl, but not a tomgirl (?) if you are a boy.

[Nimbusnut]

Originally Posted by cathwood

Well I can tell you that they do not wear kilts here now.

Geez I feel so stupid, you won.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Originally Posted by Borges

What I don't understand is why it's harder for boys to accept feminimity than for girls to accept masculinity. Maybe it's just irrational and I'm overthinking it.

Okay, boys (for the most part) finally accept masculinity in girls.
The main reason I can think of are that boys (for the most part) see girls (finally) as equals and even think it's cool if the girls they hang out with act like them.
On the other hand, boys don't like it when other boys (who in pretty much every culture have played masculine roles) start acting girlish. It's different.

That's all I can think of that sounds "logical".

But I usually just say, boys are stupid!! :P

[dudewithasock]

Originally Posted by Goats_On_Unicycles

So do you aprove of it?

I dress all sorts of ways whenever I can.
If you met me one day, you'd probably think I was a punk rocker. On other days, I'd be a country boy, a crossdresser, a hippie, a slut, a mormon or a metal rocker. I could look rude, gross, cute, girly, boyish, tough, emo or whatever.

I personally wouldn't put myself into any of those categories. At least, not all the way.
I know that people are judged by their apearence but they shouldn't be. It's not accurate and it needs to be changed.

I don't disapprove...like you (or someone in this thread) said, people wear clothes to express the way they are. I do agree with this. I dress based on mood all the time, and my overall style reflects my personality. If someone dresses like a slob, chances are, they have slob-traits. Conversely, if someone dresses professionally, there's a good chance they are a more professional, business-like person. I'm not saying either one is universally better, but there are situations that call for different types of people.

I think it's a fine system the way it is. If a few people like yourself want to go against the current, that's cool, power to you. But don't be angry or confused when people don't treat you the way you'd like based on their first viewing of you in some wacky outfit.

[bungalistic]

Originally Posted by Goats_On_Unicycles

So do you aprove of it?

I dress all sorts of ways whenever I can.
If you met me one day, you'd probably think I was a punk rocker. On other days, I'd be a country boy, a crossdresser, a hippie, a slut, a mormon or a metal rocker. I could look rude, gross, cute, girly, boyish, tough, emo or whatever.

I personally wouldn't put myself into any of those categories. At least, not all the way.
I know that people are judged by their apearence but they shouldn't be. It's not accurate and it needs to be changed.

No it doesn't need to be changed, that's how it all works, you dress to reflect how you are and your character, this will attract like minded people but also it may put some others off, but does that really matter?

People all make initial judgements based on appearance, that's quite often how people meet others in the first place.

I make judgements on the way people dress and look, I admit it, doesn't mean I won't like them, often once I get talking to them they are actually quite nice people and my opinion changes or alters.

EDIT: I dress fairly casual, some would say scruffy, this doesn't reflect on my life though as I like my house/rooms to be clean tidy and I do like to be organised to some extent, so i'm not a messy person even though my dress code may suggest it.

[GILD]

I normally just wear whatever is kinda clean.

[uni57]

I think that judging by first appearances is a survival trait. One that we still need today. If you are dressed like you are in a gang (and your demeanor also suggests that you are dangerous), I'm going to steer clear of you. Other than that, I like when people break the mold. Be creative! Just don't show me your underwear.

[GILD]

...unless you're Christina Aquilera

[cathwood]

Originally Posted by Goats_On_Unicycles

Okay, boys (for the most part) finally accept masculinity in girls.
The main reason I can think of are that boys (for the most part) see girls (finally) as equals and even think it's cool if the girls they hang out with act like them.
On the other hand, boys don't like it when other boys (who in pretty much every culture have played masculine roles) start acting girlish. It's different.

I'm with you there Goats.

I think it's a testosterone thing.

[Mikefule]

Here's some thoughts on appearances. Last week, I went to see The Meteors - a (the) psychobilly band. Psychobilly is a blend of rockabilly music and punk rock attitude.

I stopped for a tray of chips at the chip shop near the gig. A car pulled up and two chavs got out. The male was about 2 metres tall and about 10 centimetres wide, with a baseball cap and a hood covering his face, sleeves longer than his arms, jogging bottoms slung low to show his underwear, and wearing expensive trainers with the laces untied.

On the basis of his appearance, I decided to keep an eye on him and be prepared to beat a retreat. Within minutes, my caution was justified because he started an unprovoked confrontation with a motorist using the car park. I discreetly made my escape and went in to the hall where the gig was about to start.

The bar was 5 deep with people with flat top hairstyles, Mohican hairstyles, tattoos, piercings, studded leather jackets, chains - all the imagery that woulld frighten your granny. I immediately felt comfortable, because I knew they were good people, because although I have not been "part of the scene" for a long time, I have always been into the sort of music that attracts that group, and I go to a gig or two a year. I used to wear some of the gear, and I used to have the hairstyle.

And there I was in jeans and a T shirt, with no "regalia". I initially felt marginalised, but by the end of the evening, I had made new friends.

But the facts are:

1. I made a correct judgement based on the appearance of the chav.
2. I made a correct judgement based on the appearance of the crowd.
3. My granny would have reached a very different judgement about the appearance of the crowd.

• Appearances matter.
• The ability to blend in is a useful life skill.