36" Wheels TA tire converstion. - Page 2

john_childs · 2007-04-02, 12:56 PM

Do you have any pictures of what the tool looks like?

redwelly · 2007-04-02, 12:58 PM

That looks like a pretty cool tread for XC Dave!

I've just finished my own modding. I wanted to maintain the silky road smoothness, and loose some weight too, so I was going for cutting out quite a lot.

I used a craft knife, and it took ages - about 10 hours of work. It would have been faster if I realised that the knife wasn't fully sharp, and when I swapped to a new blade it cut very well.

This amount of rubber removal has shed 140g from my tyre (I kept the cuttings to weigh after).

Sam

roakey · 2007-04-02, 04:02 PM

A bit off the subject, but what were the TAs originally designed for? I can't beleive there's a tire out there just for a Unicycle, so there must have been an original application?

Roak

kington99 · 2007-04-03, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roakey

A bit off the subject, but what were the TAs originally designed for? I can't beleive there's a tire out there just for a Unicycle, so there must have been an original application?

Roak

Maybe the Qu-Ax penny farthing, but it's just a guess.

mark williamson · 2007-04-04, 12:35 AM

These all look rather awesome!

It's quite exciting that these developments in 36ering are happening now. Those treads look rather like they could be more suitable for offroad than (for instance) the Coker tyre, although I've never ridden that.

I like off-roading my 36er with 150mm cranks; would like to try 170mm cranks and see how rough the terrain I can ride is.

I'm still hopeful that somebody might do further investigation into tread-ifying the TA tyre and maybe be able to offer it as a service. I don't really have the tools, space or time to do it myself, but an offroad 36er could be cool nonetheless.

rob.northcott · 2007-04-11, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark williamson

I'm still hopeful that somebody might do further investigation into tread-ifying the TA tyre and maybe be able to offer it as a service. I don't really have the tools, space or time to do it myself, but an offroad 36er could be cool nonetheless.

(From my classic car experience...) it's common for groups of people, either through a club or more often at a more local level, to buy specialist tools that may be not used enough to justify the cost for an individual member. These tools are passed around the group as and when they're needed (obviously keeping track of where they are at any time). Perhaps the UUU, or just a group of xc Coker fans, could buy a tread cutting tool...

Just a thought.

Rob

saskatchewanian · 2008-03-27, 06:44 AM

I tried one of those tread cutting tools and it was worse than useless. I was quite disappointed. Anyway since the grooving tool didn't work I just used a filleting knife and cut away at my tire for about 10 hours. I cut it up in early February and have been riding on it since. I removed 168g of rubber and the grip is much improved.

you can read more about it here

lpounds · 2008-03-27, 03:17 PM

Wow, yours looks the most uniform. Is it still a relatively smooth ride or is this for muni?

steveyo · 2008-03-27, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saskatchewanian

I tried one of those tread cutting tools and it was worse than useless. I was quite disappointed. Anyway since the grooving tool didn't work I just used a filleting knife and cut away at my tire for about 10 hours. I cut it up in early February and have been riding on it since. I removed 168g of rubber and the grip is much improved...

Looks great, but your diligence (sick that you worked for 10 hours on this task) reminds me of the scene in The Shining where the wife finds the papers Jack has been working on and they say

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
....(on infinitum)..

saskatchewanian · 2008-03-27, 06:37 PM

Thanks, It took a long time to do.

While I was cutting it I was planning for this to be my winter and 36er-Muni tire an I was going to buy a nightrider in the spring for road riding and RTL. Now with the nightrider being heavier than advertised I think I will stick with this tire for everything.

It still feels quite smooth on the pavement but that might be more to do with the huge diameter of the wheel itself. It is probably comparable to a Coker tire in smoothness.

I feel I have almost double the traction on snow and I look forward to seeing how it handles mud. It does not collect snow between the lugs like a regular TA does between the ribs so I think it should clear mud well also.

I sort of wonder if by removing half the tread I halved the life of the tread. I guess we will never know unless I wear out a regular TA after I wear out this one.

EDIT
[QUOTE=steveyo]All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy./QUOTE]
All that work let me play for the rest of the winter.

osmundo · 2008-03-28, 01:48 AM

Eric
That tire is way cool. It took me about 14 months of riding, (approx 70-100 miles a week) to wear out my normal TA tire. I learned that it needs to be rotated frequently as most of the wear is at the bottom of the crank revolution. If I had been more diligent about rotating it it would have lasted longer. It started feeling really light there toward the end.
I'm running the Nimbus now and I love it in the snow. It also seems to handle crown a lot better than the TA, but boy was it hairy to begin with. I think when I shed all the fur and extraneous rubber I'll have lost 150 grams.

lpounds · 2008-03-28, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saskatchewanian

Thanks, It took a long time to do.

While I was cutting it I was planning for this to be my winter and 36er-Muni tire an I was going to buy a nightrider in the spring for road riding and RTL. Now with the nightrider being heavier than advertised I think I will stick with this tire for everything.

Really? How much heavier? Is it still worth getting to replace my TA?

saskatchewanian · 2008-03-28, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lpounds

Really? How much heavier? Is it still worth getting to replace my TA?

I have not weighed anything other than the bits cut off so I don't know my actual tire weight but it looks like mine is probably currently lighter than the new nightrider.

link to actual measured weights by unijuul

lpounds · 2008-03-31, 06:24 PM

Has anyone tried carving a nightrider yet?

mornish · 2008-09-02, 01:27 AM

I was wondering, does anyone know if these tools are rentable?

I'd love to make my duro slick, but I don't think I want to spend $100 on a tool.

Thanks!
Miles

2007-04-02, 12:56 PM	#16
john_childs Guinness Mojo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon USA Posts: 12,420	Do you have any pictures of what the tool looks like? __________________ john_childs (att) hotmail (dott) com Team Never Wash Your Muni My Gallery :: Unicycling Bookmark List :: World Clock

2007-04-02, 12:58 PM	#17
redwelly Sam Wakeling Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ayr, Scotland Age: 28 Posts: 590	That looks like a pretty cool tread for XC Dave! I've just finished my own modding. I wanted to maintain the silky road smoothness, and loose some weight too, so I was going for cutting out quite a lot. I used a craft knife, and it took ages - about 10 hours of work. It would have been faster if I realised that the knife wasn't fully sharp, and when I swapped to a new blade it cut very well. This amount of rubber removal has shed 140g from my tyre (I kept the cuttings to weigh after). Sam Attached Images __________________ Unicycle.com

2007-04-02, 04:02 PM	#18
roakey Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO, USA Age: 56 Posts: 82	A bit off the subject, but what were the TAs originally designed for? I can't beleive there's a tire out there just for a Unicycle, so there must have been an original application? Roak __________________ roakeyatunderctekdotcom <== Mighty Murphy, the wonder Bouv!

2007-04-04, 12:35 AM	#20
mark williamson Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Age: 30 Posts: 878	These all look rather awesome! It's quite exciting that these developments in 36ering are happening now. Those treads look rather like they could be more suitable for offroad than (for instance) the Coker tyre, although I've never ridden that. I like off-roading my 36er with 150mm cranks; would like to try 170mm cranks and see how rough the terrain I can ride is. I'm still hopeful that somebody might do further investigation into tread-ifying the TA tyre and maybe be able to offer it as a service. I don't really have the tools, space or time to do it myself, but an offroad 36er could be cool nonetheless. __________________ Dave: Just a question. What use is a unicyle with no seat? And no pedals! Mark: To answer a question with a question: What use is a skateboard? Dave: Skateboards have wheels. Mark: My wheel has a wheel!

2008-03-27, 03:17 PM	#23
lpounds Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 1,004	Wow, yours looks the most uniform. Is it still a relatively smooth ride or is this for muni? __________________ Unicycle Dot Com Canada

2008-03-27, 06:44 AM	#22
saskatchewanian ERIC P Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denare Beach, Saskatchewan, Canada Age: 27 Posts: 5,258	I tried one of those tread cutting tools and it was worse than useless. I was quite disappointed. Anyway since the grooving tool didn't work I just used a filleting knife and cut away at my tire for about 10 hours. I cut it up in early February and have been riding on it since. I removed 168g of rubber and the grip is much improved. you can read more about it here

2008-03-27, 06:37 PM	#25
saskatchewanian ERIC P Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denare Beach, Saskatchewan, Canada Age: 27 Posts: 5,258	Thanks, It took a long time to do. While I was cutting it I was planning for this to be my winter and 36er-Muni tire an I was going to buy a nightrider in the spring for road riding and RTL. Now with the nightrider being heavier than advertised I think I will stick with this tire for everything. It still feels quite smooth on the pavement but that might be more to do with the huge diameter of the wheel itself. It is probably comparable to a Coker tire in smoothness. I feel I have almost double the traction on snow and I look forward to seeing how it handles mud. It does not collect snow between the lugs like a regular TA does between the ribs so I think it should clear mud well also. I sort of wonder if by removing half the tread I halved the life of the tread. I guess we will never know unless I wear out a regular TA after I wear out this one. EDIT [QUOTE=steveyo]All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy./QUOTE] All that work let me play for the rest of the winter. Last edited by saskatchewanian; 2008-03-27 at 06:40 PM.

2008-03-28, 01:48 AM	#26
osmundo Osmundo Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Golden, CO Age: 43 Posts: 227	Eric That tire is way cool. It took me about 14 months of riding, (approx 70-100 miles a week) to wear out my normal TA tire. I learned that it needs to be rotated frequently as most of the wear is at the bottom of the crank revolution. If I had been more diligent about rotating it it would have lasted longer. It started feeling really light there toward the end. I'm running the Nimbus now and I love it in the snow. It also seems to handle crown a lot better than the TA, but boy was it hairy to begin with. I think when I shed all the fur and extraneous rubber I'll have lost 150 grams.

2008-03-31, 06:24 PM	#29
lpounds Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 1,004	Has anyone tried carving a nightrider yet? __________________ Unicycle Dot Com Canada

2008-09-02, 01:27 AM	#30
mornish magic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tomorrow. Age: 19 Posts: 5,895	I was wondering, does anyone know if these tools are rentable? I'd love to make my duro slick, but I don't think I want to spend $100 on a tool. Thanks! Miles

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