Unicyclist Video Comp - Entry Thread

[rabbithunter018]

Originally Posted by Eddbmxdude

If the rules keep changing I don't know if I will bother, I don't want to make an entire video, just to discover that the rules have changed again and im breaking them!

Rock on!
Edd

You have untill december 1rst. that's plenty of time. Just set a date that the rules need to in and final, say october 1rst. Then the rules are set theres no changing them, that way the riders can be sure of thier video.

[Jonny_Peacock]

i think someone with more common sense should be leading this production.

[DarkTom]

Originally Posted by Jonny_Peacock

i think someone with more common sense should be leading this production.

Chill out, man.

Things will get clearer.


T.

[Eroick]

Originally Posted by Jonny_Peacock

i think someone with more common sense should be leading this production.

I think you should stop bashing this even though you are the only one doing it. I totally agree with spencer there. Rules will be frozen october 1st.

[Jonny_Peacock]

you jsut get ony nerves. like i asked asimple question and didnt get an answer. why do we have judges? thats the lamest thing ive ever heard of. its like in real life, the common people make a up a jury in a court...its not the same group of people deciding. and on what criteria can someone be a judge? i mean what do you jsut say ill eb a judge..and suddenly you have authority to judge like 25 videos or whatever? thats lame. you dont think. not only about that, but you really havent thought into anything that needs to be thought into. youve just made things confusing....but for serious i dont really care to much about an internet forum competition...i just dont really....youre not worth sweating over....youre a dot on the map,jsut aspeck to me...in fact yea im not gonna be a part of this, so count me out. welcome to my ignore list.

call me at 850-651-2583.........id love to talk to you.

peace

[Eroick]

Look, the only reason that I keep changing the rules is due to community input. The rules make sense to me, but people have made me realize that there are some things that need to be changed. I just want to deliver a set of rules that work for people. I know that I cannot create a perfect set of rules everyone will love by myself. This is why I have changed them. So, I will take input up till October 1st. The rules can be changed.

But taking lame shots and saying I have no common sense or that everyone would prefer your version of a video compition isn't the way to go. Ever heard of the term constructive critism? That is what I'm looking for. If you just want to say something stupid, go away.

[Eroick]

Well, I guess thats one less video to judge.

And to clarify people, the judging system is not complete. It will depend on how many vids we get in. For example, if we get like 30 vids in one catagory, we cant have a poll of 30 vids. Why? Because to fairly rate videos, you gotta watch them all. And most people are not going to watch 30 vids to vote once.

Hope that clears things up. Bye, Jonny.

[johnathon_smith2]

jonny peacock is a lil' bitch! nuff said.

peace foo...

[Jerrick]

Originally Posted by Eroick

Well, I guess thats one less video to judge.

And to clarify people, the judging system is not complete. It will depend on how many vids we get in. For example, if we get like 30 vids in one catagory, we cant have a poll of 30 vids. Why? Because to fairly rate videos, you gotta watch them all. And most people are not going to watch 30 vids to vote once.

Hope that clears things up. Bye, Jonny.

I will be happy to watch up to 30 videos and judge them on the criteria you give me to judge upon. Things like style, smoothness, comedy, video length and quality, the wrecks, and anything else. So keep that in mind. =p

I would make a vid but my camra broke and hasnt been fixed yet.

[skilewis74]

Originally Posted by Eroick

But taking lame shots and saying I have no common sense or that everyone would prefer your version of a video compition isn't the way to go. Ever heard of the term constructive critism? That is what I'm looking for. If you just want to say something stupid, go away.

I think johny_peakok just likes saying stupid stuff and getting on people's nerves.

I'm in favor of 3 - levels, but I think they should be adjusted to say 5 - 7 per level. Also what if some one is a int. freestyle and a beg. trials rider. I think the vid, if includes mult. categories, should be divided into segments of the same vid and labeled, w/ total time of 1.5 - 3 min., 5 1/2 minutes is a long vid!
Edit: 30 vids/ category is a lot to watch and judge! May be very entertaining though!!



I'm not entering, but only because I'm a raw beginner and I don't have a vid camera. Maybe in six months to a year if someone does another comp (I'm a slow learner ).

[rabbithunter018]

Originally Posted by Jerrick

I will be happy to watch up to 30 videos and judge them on the criteria you give me to judge upon. Things like style, smoothness, comedy, video length and quality, the wrecks, and anything else. So keep that in mind. =p

I would make a vid but my camra broke and hasnt been fixed yet.

Exactly why we should have judges. a lot of people would just watch a video and say wow, that big gap was awsome, and vote for that vid. knowledgeable (sp?) people like Jerrick take into account all the aspects of the video. Was it creative? how hard were the tricks/lines? did they just shoot from one angle? was it smooth? And there are a fair amount of people who will see all these things, but most of them wont' watch 30 vids, myself included. It could also turn into a popularity contest. If one member had gotten into a shouting match with someone earlier (such as right now), and they see that persons video, they are going to rate that vid poorly. A good judge could absaloutly hate someone, but it the person truly makes a great vid, then the judge should not hesitate to say so. We could eliminate some of the predjudice by developing a judgeing system. the judges rate eache video from 1-10 in smoothness, difficulty, creativeness, entertainment, bails, good editing, ect. We would then addup the scores and that would determine the winner, or the top 5 or whatever. It all depends on how many people you want to make happy. There is always going to be someone who thought that they should have won instead, wheather you have judges or not. If you pick good judges, that will eliminate the joe shmoe watching his buddies vid and voting it for first.

[skilewis74]

Originally Posted by rabbithunter018

Exactly why we should have judges. a lot of people would just watch a video and say wow, that big gap was awsome, and vote for that vid. knowledgeable (sp?) people like Jerrick take into account all the aspects of the video. Was it creative? how hard were the tricks/lines? did they just shoot from one angle? was it smooth? And there are a fair amount of people who will see all these things, but most of them wont' watch 30 vids, myself included. It could also turn into a popularity contest. If one member had gotten into a shouting match with someone earlier (such as right now), and they see that persons video, they are going to rate that vid poorly. A good judge could absaloutly hate someone, but it the person truly makes a great vid, then the judge should not hesitate to say so. We could eliminate some of the predjudice by developing a judgeing system. the judges rate eache video from 1-10 in smoothness, difficulty, creativeness, entertainment, bails, good editing, ect. We would then addup the scores and that would determine the winner, or the top 5 or whatever. It all depends on how many people you want to make happy. There is always going to be someone who thought that they should have won instead, wheather you have judges or not. If you pick good judges, that will eliminate the joe shmoe watching his buddies vid and voting it for first.

It seemed to me that the judges are those of us who aren't competig were the judges
Other than that, I agree with it all.

[amanda.gallacher]

i might make a novice trials vid. or novice street. this is a fun idea.

@jonny, chill out man, stop taking digs at people, its not cool

[johnfoss]

Originally Posted by Jonny_Peacock

why do we have judges? thats the lamest thing ive ever heard of. its like in real life, the common people make a up a jury in a court...its not the same group of people deciding.

This response is for anyone besides Jonny_Peacock who was wondering about real judges vs. no judges. Jonny has already removed himself from the discussion (thank you -- hold your own damn contest if it means so much to you!).

In a jury trial, the jury is made up of a *carefully selected* dozen citizens, who watch the entire trial, and are trained as much as possible by both the defense and the prosecution. Both sides provide them with all the information they think the jury should have to render their decision. This makes them qualified to have an opinion.

If you don't use judges, your contest becomes a meaningless popularity contest. Your results will have nothing to do with your chosen judging criteria. People will vote based on who their friends are, what colors they like, the only two videos they actually watched, etc. So the decision to have judges means Eroick wants his contest results to actually mean something.

Of course you have to trust your judges. Judges aren't always perfect either, which is a problem we have to deal with in unicycling as in any other type of competition. If someone is too anxious to do it, this may be an indictor that they wouldn't be a good judge. They have to know the (finalized) judging criteria, watch all the videos, and apply their opinions evenly and dispassionately to each. Being a judge is not for everyone.

I'm kind of disappointed that the chosen criteria is to be almost exclusively on riding skill. Then you can have a terrible video of a great rider, and that person will win "best video." I'd prefer to see a little more weight on the editing/lighting/sound and other non-riding factors, more like 1/3 of the score. Or if you truly want a "best video" competition, it should be 3/4 of the score. For a "best riding on video" competition, 1/4 to 1/3 is appropriate.

I would recommend for riders not to worry about what skill level to be in, let the judges decide. # of years riding is almost as bad an indicator as IUF/USA skill level. Those levels are only good for determining what tricks you can do, and doesn't even cover how well you can do them.

It's Eroick's contest, so if you still think something needs to be changed you could try asking him nicely. If you don't like the contest, don't enter. It's not the Academy Awards or anything. Yes, you need a fairly decent list of rules/criteria for something like this to work. Otherwise people don't have a good enough idea of what you're looking for in your contest. The less rules you have, the more confusion there is. I've learned this over the last 20 years working with the USA and IUF Rulebooks. More clarificaiton, though harder to read, is always better than less.

I look forward to seeing what people come up with for a contest with these specific guidelines!

[rabbithunter018]

Thank you John, that's exactly what I was trying to say, I just couldn't really word it right.