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Old 2017-03-23, 07:10 PM   #496
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every year we meet, drink, play music and remember the days when we were students (50 years ago )
as usual someone sings the "brainwashing machine" song... the tradition is more than a hundred years old!
Wow, that’s really nice. We don’t do that in the US, at least not people from the schools I went to!

Once, I was at a party in France and got into a conversation with a painter, a friend of a friend. She was asking me about the dissertation I was writing in comparative literature, and about the relationship between Romanticism and Modernism, the Enlightenment and so on. I was stunned because people in the US had asked about my dissertation hundreds of times, but the resulting conversation was never more than a few sentences, and it almost always ended with “So what are you gonna do with that, teach?” Even more amazing was that after a moment other people started listening to me over her shoulder. Actually, I couldn’t believe it, so later I asked around, thinking maybe they were all academics in disguise or something, but they weren’t. Some worked in advertising, a few were artists. I don’t think any of them had an advanced degree, they just somehow considered literary history to be a matter of general public interest! I had never seen anything like that before.

With France’s current “socialist” president having an approval rating that is in the single digits, and the state of emergency continuing indefinitely, Le Pen probably does have a chance of winning the election. I know her party has roots in Hitler’s puppet French government, but I am not sure how fascist they are at this time, and I also know that having roots in Vichy is not unique to the Front National. François Mitterrand, in his youth, was a part of that operation too.
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Old 2017-04-21, 05:39 AM   #497
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so should we nuke the north K's

Pissing me off I'm right to say. I anit't in range, but fuck that stupid Kim fucked Un Ass name shit head, nuke him I say. Turd bastard fucktard. And I don't live in San D89eagio, anymore. Screw you guys I am going home.
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Old 2017-04-22, 05:20 AM   #498
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Uh, that's very noble of you. I guess.

I't more about what might happen to S. Korea and Japan. And Unicon 19 is going to be in S. Korea next year!

Any large nuclear exchange would affect basically the entire world. Everywhere is downwind from something like that...
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Old 2017-04-22, 04:21 PM   #499
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Americans like to characterize North Korea as living in the Dark Ages. We rarely talk about how, during the Korean War, the U.S. bombed North Korea into the Dark Ages. Then we clutch at our pearls, horrified, when North Korea scrambles to build nukes and missiles, as if we can't contemplate the defensive and deterrent value of such weapons.
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Old 2017-04-23, 12:59 PM   #500
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Kim Il-sung smashed the 7th US Cavalry Regiment, just as the Native Americans had done 76 years earlier at Little Bighorn, in Montana. He stopped the US-led drive to erase North Korea from the map, and these heroic victories give a certain legitimacy to the Stalinist regime that he founded, which has only been reinforced by subsequent decades of American warmongering. In the 1990s, Colin Powell said he wanted to turn North Korea into “a charcoal briquet,” and that’s pretty much what Trump and Mike “The Sword Is Ready” Pence are saying right now.

The US-led war killed 3 million people in North Korea and flattened every city, every town and every dam, causing flooding and mass starvation for the survivors of the bombing. Huge amounts of napalm were used on those people, along with some chemical and probably biological weapons. North Koreans know this, even if most Westerners have no idea.

Every April, though, North Korea hosts the International Spring Friendship Festival to celebrate the birthday of Kim Il-sung, and flies musicians into Pyongyang from all over the world, including the United States. A violinist who played that festival a few times told me he encountered a 50-member men’s choir there from Atlanta, and also a girl, -a flute player, I think- who was from Tennessee and had never been outside the US before!
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The US-led war killed 3 million people in North Korea and flattened every city, every town and every dam, causing flooding and mass starvation for the survivors of the bombing. Huge amounts of napalm were used on those people, along with some chemical and probably biological weapons. North Koreans know this, even if most Westerners have no idea.
I have no doubt about the horrors and savagery of past (and/or present) wars. What I do doubt is how much every North Korean knows. They have access only to propaganda. Only one state-sponsored TV channel, no Internet and, if we are to believe what former residents tell us, extreme amounts of indoctrination/brainwashing. People killed for expressing opinions. Whole families killed for saying something bad about the Kims. Not a nice place.

But I can't think of any type of war that would help those people. I hope our leaders are interested in what's good for people, more than they care about what's good for the military-industrial complex, and the size of our President's dick.
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Old 2017-04-26, 10:15 PM   #502
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Yeah, North Korean defectors are sometimes not so honest. One of them admitted to having made up key parts of his story (Escape from Camp 14) after it was published as a book and translated into 27 languages, and after he had been fêted by all sorts of “pro-democracy” foundations and American news outlets.

North Korean people are definitely kept in the dark in many ways, but they do know about the Korean War. A few years ago on You Tube, I watched a North Korean movie, Wolmi Island, that tells the story of an artillery unit that stood its ground against the US Navy. The movie gives an idea of life under a “Great Leader” who must be obeyed at all costs because his army is the only thing protecting the population from imperial slaughter.

He walked on water, North Koreans allegedly believe, but for them the Korean War, strictly in terms of percentage of the population killed, was equivalent to about 20,000 September 11ths. In addition, there was starvation, mass homelessness and torture and rape by US and UN soldiers, and by the capitalist military dictatorship that was installed in the South. Since the “Great Leader” put an end to this nightmare, maybe believing that he could also walk on water was not such a stretch.

Some North Koreans still go hungry, but they have a film industry, a subway system, music festivals and so on. Their kids play a lot of shitty patriotic music, but they play it well. Here in the USA, I once went to a recital of Korean music, played on a traditional instrument called the kayagum, and the performer told the audience that her instrument had almost completely disappeared from South Korea, and was only kept alive by the North’s musical education system. For a nation that was nearly erased, with more bombs dropped on it than were dropped in the entire Pacific theater in all of World War 2, North Korea is not doing so badly!

Other countries targeted by US imperialism are less fortunate. Iraq and Afghanistan lie in ruins. Syria is in the midst of a civil and regional war that is threatening to go nuclear. Libya, which until six years ago had one of the highest standards of living in Africa, no longer even has a government. It is ruled by warring Islamist factions and is starting to have a slave trade...
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