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Old 2016-12-28, 05:28 AM   #391
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I used to respect you, Kevin.
In all likelihood, this is very dry humor.
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Old 2016-12-29, 06:11 AM   #392
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You know this hacking attribution stuff is all bullshit, right?
I'm not 100% sure, but probably, yes, though I think there is also a very good chance that hacking wasn't even part of this picture to begin with. The Podesta email treasure trove, for example, may well have been leaked by a Democratic Party insider who got disillusioned and didn't have or need any hacking skills.

If you were a young idealist working for the Democratic Party, perhaps even a supporter of Bernie Sanders and his "socialist" rhetoric, and you came to the realization that your party was involved in criminal misconduct, even plotting to sabotage the campaign of one of its own candidates, perhaps you would decide to reach out to Wikileaks. This scenario is far easier for me to envision than one of evil Russian hackers in a cave under Novosibirsk, agreeing to target Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
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Old 2016-12-31, 07:53 AM   #393
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since NSA, CIA and what else steel not only my but all european and most off other country data, i really hope the russian steel them back

the biggest hacking organisation of the world is crying like a child because someone tries to do the same

i love it
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Old 2016-12-31, 03:18 PM   #394
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Edward Snowden said the NSA could immediately provide evidence if Russian hackers had done what Clinton says they did, but as far as I know, no such evidence has been provided. In any case, those emails revealed massive corruption within the US capitalist class and its media outlets, so the leaks were a public service, regardless of who was responsible.

The Guardian said: "In one now-famous email chain, for example, the reader can watch current US trade representative Michael Froman, writing from a Citibank email address in 2008, appear to name President Obama’s cabinet even before the great hope-and-change election was decided (incidentally, an important clue to understanding why that greatest of zombie banks was never put out of its misery)."

Isn't this something we should know about??
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Old 2017-01-01, 04:18 PM   #395
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Wow! The Washington Post just claimed that Russian hackers had attacked the electrical grid through a Vermont utility company, but then they admitted it was a lie, and changed their headline!
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Old 2017-01-04, 02:54 AM   #396
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It's new years ?

Well,...I must have had more fun than I thought, because I woke up with a black eye, but I felt good.

A survey of my surroundings showed that me and my formally loyal table had a small disagreement about who was going to stand where. This small squabble (it was a small table) , ended with me getting up first, going to bed.

I have wanted a new table for a while, I suppose I wanted a new DNC years ago. Am I surprised that the Hillory controlled DNC would conspire against Sanders ? No.

Am I surprised that multiple nations and corporations try to be successful where the USA CIA is weak ? No. We can't have the best hackers in the world. It's not just that Asian counties have so many more pupils than the USA, students in the USA score poorly in math, and must respect copyright. Advanced code hacking cannot be taught in legal USA schools
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Old 2017-01-04, 04:44 PM   #397
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Am I surprised that multiple nations and corporations try to be successful where the USA CIA is weak ? No. We can't have the best hackers in the world. It's not just that Asian counties have so many more pupils than the USA, students in the USA score poorly in math, and must respect copyright. Advanced code hacking cannot be taught in legal USA schools
The main thing taught in U.S. schools is that orthodoxy of thought is the path to success. Provide the correct answer on a test, pass go, collect $200. My graduate school roommate was a Chinese electrical engineering student. All he did was study. And he was not full of himself, either. Kind of the opposite of Donald Trump. If the recent hacks are as bad as it gets, the U.S. should consider itself lucky. The hacks are not the bad part; what is really frightening is that our government, at the behest of their capitalist overlords, may use hacking as an excuse to destroy net neutrality and declare what is "official" and "unofficial". While intellectual copyright helps some creative people, in the bigger picture, I'd say it's a bad thing and should be abolished. The U.S. Congress has been extending copyright indefinitely for many years. Rather than encouraging innovation and creativity, this has produced the exact opposite result. Corporations are monopolizing the same old crap.
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Old 2017-01-08, 05:57 AM   #398
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How many of us still think there was no Russian tampering in the US Presidential election?

Ahem, I mean, how many of us besides Donald Trump?
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Old 2017-01-08, 03:14 PM   #399
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How many of us still think there was no Russian tampering in the US Presidential election?
There was a US presidential election? I thought that was a circus and only the clown bikes were missing.
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Old 2017-01-08, 08:21 PM   #400
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There was a US presidential election? I thought that was a circus and only the clown bikes were missing.
Yeah, millions of people thought they could change the way their rulers ruled over them. Now many are complaining that some other territorial monopoly was trying to influence their choice for who would be the new public figure put forth as their ruler while the deep state actually continues to rule over them.
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Old 2017-01-09, 07:50 PM   #401
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why hacking the usa is normal

Saying the Russians hacked the DNC only surprises me that it surprises anyone. If you don't think that the China and India hackers were bidding to sell info to Trump, well, I am surprised at that as well.

The Chinese culture and view of law regarding copyrights is very different than in the states.

I think this puts us at an odds disadvantage against India and China because they have many more aspiring motivated excellent students rewarded for their superior math skills than in the USA. Hacking and copying is illegal in the USA. Sure, I do it, but it is not a cultural norm taught at the university level.

Below is a vid from some brits who have lived in China for a few years. Bear with the slightly slow beginning, and it will give you an idea of the state of copyrights in China.
Plus it's not a bad motorcycle tour of a part of China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9loDBwp5ST0
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Old 2017-01-09, 09:03 PM   #402
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How many of us still think there was no Russian tampering in the US Presidential election?
This is what the New York Times said in a front page article on Friday, about a US intelligence report on the alleged hacking: "What is missing from the public report is what many Americans most eagerly anticipated: hard evidence to back up the agencies’ claims that the Russian government engineered the election attack."
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This is what the New York Times said in a front page article on Friday, about a US intelligence report on the alleged hacking: "What is missing from the public report is what many Americans most eagerly anticipated: hard evidence to back up the agencies’ claims that the Russian government engineered the election attack."
Presumably, Trump was given that hard evidence but that's secure information.

We know it influenced the eletion results, we just don't know how much it influenced the results. Good guesstimates could result from studying poll changes after each release got high press in the news cycle.
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Old 2017-01-10, 06:51 PM   #404
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Old 2017-01-11, 03:03 PM   #405
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The guesstimates you suggest would be a very scientific approach. The Russian hacking allegations are never made in that spirit, but more in the spirit of war propaganda. Arriving at those guesstimates would also lead to discussion of the content of the leaked emails, which has always been carefully avoided by everyone who points a finger at Putin.

One of the emails showed that Hillary knew ISIS is supported by the Qatari and Saudi royal families, rather than just rogue elements within those families, and another revealed that a member of Qatar's royal family had donated $1 million to the Clinton Foundation in return for a five-minute meeting with Bill. Plus there's the email I mentioned earlier that shows Obama's cabinet seemingly being chosen mostly by Citibank.

It would indeed be interesting to know how much impact these revelations had on voters, though my guess would be that it was close to zero. All of this stuff was reported rather quietly, and a lot of the people who knew about it probably had already reached the understanding that America's two capitalist parties of racism and war do not represent them, so they didn't vote.

American voters do understand and remember some things, though. Apparently Obama won Indiana in 2008 by running on opposition to NAFTA and the Iraq War. As president, he didn't stop either one of these crimes, and now Hillary, who never even pretended to oppose them, lost Indiana to Trump. Not too surprising.

Julian Assange, who doesn't normally comment on the identity of his sources, said that the leaked emails did not come from the Russian government or any other “state actor,” and his record for honesty is a hell of a lot better than the CIA's, so my inclination is to think that he's probably telling the truth.

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