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Old 2016-03-15, 03:12 AM   #1
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I'll vote for Sanders tomorrow, then Trump

Big Tuesday tomorrow in Florida. I want Sanders but my prediction is he will not get the nom.

Why then will I vote Trump ? Because he is not the establishment choice of the health insurance billionaires, big pharma, or the prison industrial complex, Hillory is.

At least Trump is not Hillory.
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Old 2016-03-15, 01:27 PM   #2
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I'm voting for PeeWee Herman for the same reason.
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Old 2016-03-15, 03:14 PM   #4
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You know I used to think that american politics was kind of simple with only two parties and a polarized population. That was before this whole election before the election thing. And the fact that each party does it differently but at the same time and each state has it's own delegate allotment rules really makes me scratch my head.


So once a delegate is selected do they get to change their minds? Are there a crap-load of delegates who truly support each candidate hoping to get on the list so they can vote for their prospective party leader? A certain number of delegates who are told who to vote for by the rules of each state? or are they even people? just a number of "votes" in this messed up version of democracy?
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Old 2016-03-16, 05:25 AM   #6
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I'm voting for PeeWee Herman for the same reason.
And a vote for PeeWee is not a vote for Trump, which has to be a good thing. Yes, Trump is anti-establishment. Or at least he's anti-political establishment. But he's also anti-minorities, anti-women, anti one whole major religion, and especially anti-truth. Trump's stance on things changes from day to day, as does his recollection of what he said yesterday. I have to believe that the only thing that motivates Trump is anything that builds Trump's ego or the Trump brand. He does not care about anything else, at least beyond whether or not it makes him look good/tough/successful/endowed in a manly way.

Not that I have an opinion about that.

I wish I could vote for Kasich, but it's unlikely we will get the chance. He's the only candidate I actually like, and I like him a lot. He seems like old-school presidential material; someone we can actually look up to.

Alfred E. Neuman is honest about his idiocy. That alone makes him a better choice than Trump.
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And the fact that each party does it differently but at the same time and each state has it's own delegate allotment rules really makes me scratch my head.
That's partially explained by the long name of our country, United States of America. So the states have some degree of autonomy, and some like to be more autonomous than others.
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Are there a crap-load of delegates who truly support each candidate hoping to get on the list so they can vote for their prospective party leader? A certain number of delegates who are told who to vote for by the rules of each state? or are they even people? just a number of "votes" in this messed up version of democracy?
We're a democratic republic, though I'm not sure if that has anything to do with our odd election process. If not anything else, it helps to prolong the agony of picking our next leader.

And you forgot to ask about the Electoral College...
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Old 2016-03-16, 01:21 PM   #7
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being a babyboomer I still stick to the (naïve?) optimistic ideals of the sixties.... and I am stunned by the proliferations of hateniks all over Europe and sad to discover this is also mainstream in the US
for me hate is a weakness that disguises itself as strength.
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Wow, what rhetoric. I'm changing my vote to John Foss!
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Old 2016-03-16, 09:29 PM   #9
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Yeah, Kaish won Ohio, maybe the GOP will nominate him instead of Trump, even if Trump wins. Also, it looks like Berny is out, no surprises there.

The electoral college is insane, but sadly it appears that we are stuck with it.
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Old 2016-03-20, 01:17 PM   #10
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I kinda like the electoral collage

If we need a recount, we only have to do one state, not 50. Since a corrupt election may only effect the results in one state, it limits the ambitions of corrupt people, a basic function of good governance. Inflating the margin of victory or number of votes in your bought out state has no effect on the electoral collage.
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The right to vote is important, but the Democratic Party of Racism and War and the Republican Party of Racism and War do not deserve your vote unless you own a bank or something.
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.... and I am stunned by the proliferations of hateniks all over Europe and sad to discover this is also mainstream in the US for me hate is a weakness that disguises itself as strength).
It is. But a powerful tool for politicians who want to appeal to the more base nature of people. Fortunately the haters in this country are relatively a minority. Still too many, but far from a majority.

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The right to vote is important, but the Democratic Party of Racism and War and the Republican Party of Racism and War do not deserve your vote unless you own a bank or something.
So don't vote? That won't work either. What we need are better candidates. Surely you don't think the billionaire will be an agent of change for the little people? I anticipate that he would be even more friendly to the banking establishment. If that's possible.
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Old 2016-03-23, 02:47 AM   #13
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Trump could be surprisingly good

Reagan was a bought actor, a pawn of the military industrial complex, or so I believed at the time. Then he went on to embrace Gorbachev and end the cold war. He wasn't a puppet after all.

The track record of show biz people in office is surprisingly good. I realize that Trump's wall is sorta stupid, but it doesn't hurt people by design, it will not be the Berlin wall. It's construction will create many jobs, plenty in Mexico. At a time when the establishment candidates are supporting 15 billion$ air craft carriers, a 10 billion $ wall sounds almost hippy peace. I bet the Chinese are impressed as well.

I don't care that at times Trump sounds a bit like Huey Long or Teddy Roosevelt. If I hear one more time Clinton saying how single payer health care is unrealistic, that she will achieve peace in the middle east by giving Israel everything Obama wouldn't.....I will vomit so bad I will need my non existent health policy.

Trump is a joke, he is funny. Clinton is not. She is a puppet. A hawk puppet of the military industrial complex, a very dangerous person. Trump is Trump, and well,... if Lucifer Mourning star was running as a self financed independent with Elisabeth Warren as VP I might vote for the devil over Trump. I still wouldn't vote for Clinton

There is an old expression, "best to go with the devil you know". I don't like old stupid expressions. I am ready for a new devil.
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I mostly agree with you about Clinton. But my problem with Trump is that nobody knows what he really wants. Nobody can say what he will really try to do if he gets elected. He seems to be a narcissist, and possibly even a compulsive liar. His skills at deal-making may or may not translate from the business world to the diplomatic world. Most likely not.

Trump is used to being the CEO. A president isn't a CEO and it's unclear how he will work within the constraints of our system. Will he make more, or less executive orders? Will he really try to change laws to weaken the First Amendment? He says he wants to.

Clinton is definitely well entrenched in the system. The establishment. Same old crap. But voting for Trump is like hitting a wasp's nest with a baseball bat because you're really bored. Who knows; it might have positive results, right?

I'd rather have 4 years of Clinton than turn the USA into a giant Jerry Springer show.
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I am ready for a new devil.
a friend of mine was dissatisfied about mainstream medicine ... So she opted for "alternative" medicine ... she just died sooner (and more painfully) of her cancer.
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