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Old 2019-03-14, 09:56 PM   #46
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Rolling mounts uphill

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After some threads on here about hill mounting, I focused on static mounting perpendicular to the road and instead of riding off, hop 90º towards the uphill. Don't you have with the rollback mount, that you will need additional force to stop the wheel from rolling further down? Btw how do you keep the pedals with a rollback mount and at what point do you roll forward? (of course I could check youtube, but it is easier if you tell )
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The thing about rollback uphill is you don't have to put a lot of pressure on the pedal to make the wheel roll under you. Then I slow it down with the second foot, and block it once the pedals are at 9-3. Then I can just go forward with a good control. I should make a video, I've never seen one uphill. Again, I don't do that on crazy uphills - in that case I do sideways like you described.
I was just wondering, y’all must just walk if y’all are going to get anywhere when it’s uphill single track? If the single track is wore down to a ditch how y’all get going?

Maybe if y’all watch a few of Unimyra’s YouTube videos you could learn a rolling mount uphill.
https://youtu.be/0BoNLRIRQzc
https://youtu.be/x5Gd2X2Qcps
https://youtu.be/k88MdY4_XIA
Remember, he needs the income from us all watching his channel so he can keep ridding all those fancy unicycles he gets.
This same technique usually works for me on uphill mounting anywhere. If the trail is rough and rocky just rolling mount into a still stand and then hop or ride away.

Y’all have fun, it’s stupid easy, easy as pi!
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Old 2019-03-15, 07:12 PM   #47
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I was just wondering, y’all must just walk if y’all are going to get anywhere when it’s uphill single track? If the single track is wore down to a ditch how y’all get going?

Maybe if y’all watch a few of Unimyra’s YouTube videos you could learn a rolling mount uphill.
A rolling mount uphill, means putting more energy in going uphill. Static mounting uphill already takes more energy as you have to hop op higher.

I used to do a rolling mount for a 36", but nowadays a static mount works just as well. I don't hop when mounting as Unimyra does, but I sometimes do before stepping off, just to see how it feels to hop with the big monster.

And yes mounting single trail, even when it is flat, I find difficult. I always wobble sideways when mounting. I think even if I were to try a rolling mount, as soon as Im on the uni, I kinda twist it a bit and if the wheel touches the higher sides of the trail, I will tumble off again. I mostly stick to wide dirt tracks, or if it is straight enough, single trail downhill without roots protruding.
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Old 2019-03-16, 01:21 AM   #48
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This is taking for ever
Upping practice time to two hours.
If you want to do 2 hours, split it up would be my recommendation. 1 hour but twice a day. Have a couple hour break in the middle.
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Old 2019-03-16, 02:34 AM   #49
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This is taking for ever
Upping practice time to two hours.
When I began riding, I made an arbitrary goal to ride around the 1/4 mile loop of my neighborhood subdivision without dismount. I told myself that I was not officially "riding" until I achieved that goal. It took me about six weeks of more than 1 hour/day practice to reach that goal.

Having a big goal may have helped me progress as a beginner, but what I think was more important was getting some satisfaction from all the tiny, incremental improvements in my riding.

When you say "This is taking forever", I want to make sure you're loving the process of learning, not just the results.

IMHO, I think practicing 2 hours a day is great. If you can continue to improve even as you are getting tired out, that implies that a refinement of technique, an improvement in efficiency is happening.
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Old 2019-03-16, 04:26 AM   #50
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If you want to do 2 hours, split it up would be my recommendation. 1 hour but twice a day. Have a couple hour break in the middle.
This wouldn't work for me.
Since I started I've systematically spent the first 20-30 min of each 90-min session at what felt like relearning everything (though this has gotten better recently) and made my best progress in the last 30 min.
Yesterday I extended practice time to 2 hours and I made even more progress in those extra 30 minutes at the end.
This has been a constant with me when learning stuff, whether physical or intellectual. When I push past the discomfort and then past the tiredness is when I see the best results.

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When I began riding, I made an arbitrary goal to ride around the 1/4 mile loop of my neighborhood subdivision without dismount. I told myself that I was not officially "riding" until I achieved that goal. It took me about six weeks of more than 1 hour/day practice to reach that goal.

Having a big goal may have helped me progress as a beginner, but what I think was more important was getting some satisfaction from all the tiny, incremental improvements in my riding.

When you say "This is taking forever", I want to make sure you're loving the process of learning, not just the results.

IMHO, I think practicing 2 hours a day is great. If you can continue to improve even as you are getting tired out, that implies that a refinement of technique, an improvement in efficiency is happening.
I do set up goals, though they tend to overlap. For example, I wanted to be able to ride 200 meters but at the same time I was already practicing free mounting. Now I want to be able to (static) free-mount successfully 8-9 times out of 10 and I'm praticing idling along with it. Coming up goals are hopping and steering like I was born on that wheel.

About enjoying the learning process. I've seen posts where people said how fun had been their early learning. My experience of the first 3 weeks has been anything but fun. It was stressfull, infuriating and occasionally painful. Not my idea of having a good time. What kept me going was the prospect of reaching a level of control where I could start having fun. Thankfully, this is happening right now
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Old 2019-03-16, 09:03 AM   #51
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My experience of the first 3 weeks has been anything but fun. It was stressfull, infuriating and occasionally painful. Not my idea of having a good time. What kept me going was the prospect of reaching a level of control where I could start having fun. Thankfully, this is happening right now
I went through the same ordeal ... but unicycling changed my life! So persist!
your body and your mind (and your significant other ) will thank you for all that!
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Old 2019-03-16, 09:13 AM   #52
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So persist!
Will do Thankfully I have the mule gene.


Earlier I finished practice with a good 50% success rate at free-mounting Woot!
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Old 2019-03-16, 06:40 PM   #53
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Will do Thankfully I have the mule gene.
if you understand the occitan language: Cap De Saume
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Old 2019-03-17, 10:13 AM   #54
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Old 2019-03-23, 07:10 PM   #55
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60 hours - 38 days

Still going through my 2 hours of practice every day. I've recently added bunny-hopping to the mix. So now I'm cycling through idling, free-mounting and hopping. Rince, repeat.

Idling doesn't seem to be making any progress. Now and then I have the odd 4 or 5 cycles without support but I already had those 10 days ago. I'll keep at it. For now.
Free-mounting is doing great. On average I succeed 3 times out of 4, or maybe 4 out of 5, not sure. Anyway, I'm getting really close to what I'd call consistent. And that's on both sides.
Now bunny-hopping is progressing fast. Today I could free-mount-to-hop and also ride-to-hop (again on both sides) every time I tried. The other way - hop-to-ride - turns out to be really tricky though. It's like all the tension accumulated in the legs while hoppping just wants to explode, shooting the wheel from under me. It's getting there but it requires some really focussed control.

Keeping the worst for last: steering. As long as I'm going roughly straight, I seem to have a bit of control. But every single time (unless I vonluntarily dismount first), at some point after 10 pedal strokes or 100, I'll fall into a spiral on one side or the other. Then there's no amount of twisting like crazy the other way that gets me out of it. 2-3 pedal strokes and I'm down.
The bizarre thing is that I never see it coming. Everything's fine and then the next thing I know I'm spiraling to one side. It really seems to come out of nowhere. I can't figure out what it is that I'm doing that triggers it.

And that's it for now.
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Old 2019-03-23, 09:16 PM   #56
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Awesome!
I like the balanced approach.

For your unwanted turns, try accelerating and sitting up straight as soon as you realize what's happening.
I bet that will kick you back up on the balance line.

Remember to look where you want to go.
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Old 2019-03-24, 01:41 AM   #57
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Keeping the worst for last: steering. As long as I'm going roughly straight, I seem to have a bit of control. But every single time (unless I vonluntarily dismount first), at some point after 10 pedal strokes or 100, I'll fall into a spiral on one side or the other. Then there's no amount of twisting like crazy the other way that gets me out of it. 2-3 pedal strokes and I'm down.

The bizarre thing is that I never see it coming. Everything's fine and then the next thing I know I'm spiraling to one side. It really seems to come out of nowhere. I can't figure out what it is that I'm doing that triggers it.
To make a bike analogy, when you're falling to the left, you have to steer to the left. Maybe on the unicycle you're falling to the left and trying to straighten yourself out by steering to the right, which makes things worse. Maybe you need to commit briefly to the turn (in the direction you're spiraling) as a way to straighten yourself out. In other words, when you're spiraling to the left but want to turn right, you need to continue further to the left before trying to make a right hand turn.

Something else to consider: When you're spiraling, you are essentially riding in an arc. In general, the smaller the radius of the arc, the faster you need to ride to maintain the spiral. So, in conjunction with riding into the direction of your spiral, you might also have to momentarily speed up your cadence.

My non-analytical answer to your problem is: This is a beginner problem. In a month, you'll have solved the problem but won't be able to explain why it happened any better than you can right now.
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Old 2019-03-24, 08:23 AM   #58
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Thanks for the advices, guys. I think I get what you're both saying. I'll try it in a couple of hours.

Something else I want to try is hopping from seated to seated, if that makes sense.
Right now, I'm bunny-hopping with my legs mostly straight, using only the calf muscles to bounce around. I've watched a lot of videos of street and flat stuff and these guys seem to single-hop from the seat all the time. Even when mounting, they'd often have a little adjustment hop before riding off.
I'm going to add it to my free-mounting practice, see how it goes.
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Old 2019-03-25, 04:08 AM   #59
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Great progress, Garp! I have no idea what it's like learning to ride at age 53,
since I started when I was 14. But I've picked up a few bits of advice for how to spread out your techniques when learning:
  • If you're still working on steering, don't spend too much time on that other stuff. Idling and freemounting rely on steering ability.
  • Hopping is fine, since it's kind of a separate thing, like doing a pogo stick. It's actually quite a bit easier than riding, but it's good exercise, and a great "tool" to get you out of trouble sometimes, instead of dismounting.
  • Work on turning goals. Like ride up the street, turn all the way around, then return. Next time, turn the opposite way.
  • Your body will favor one direction over the other. That's fine. Get good at the side that works, then see if you can teach your opposite side to do what the "good" side has figured out.
  • Try riding in exacting patters. Folling a line on the ground, straight or curved. Follow whatever markers you can find, and learn to keep on the track you want.
  • Practice turning around on the sidewalk or footpath. Or if you don't have those available, just mark of a narrower space to turn around in.
  • Practice riding in circles. If you continue the same curve, you can feel how speed helps control the turn. Faster makes you go straighter; slower will lead you to turn inward.
  • When you are more comfortable with steering, idling and mounting will also get easier because you will have a better sense of your "side balance".

By the way, you are just at the beginning of the "fun" part of unicycling. It starts when you start to meet your early goals or milestones. But it really gets going when your mind accepts the fact that you can really ride one of these impossible things. It will only get better from here!
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Old 2019-03-26, 10:02 AM   #60
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I have no idea what it's like learning to ride at age 53, since I started when I was 14.
Same thing, I guess. A bit stiffer, maybe?


Thanks for all the tips, John.
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