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Old 2009-03-23, 02:23 AM   #16
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Unless maybe he is thinking, how can we stretch out the improvements so that people have to upgrade every year, just like Microsoft. Hold back on technology so that you can sell the old model, otherwise it won't be profitable if you release the best stuff all at once. How do you know what he is thinking? Speculation... Or mind reading?
Because he is a Unicycle.com partner?
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Old 2009-03-23, 03:45 AM   #17
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That's really a pretty offensive allegation to make about someone you've never met, who's a personal friend to a lot of people on this forum.
It is not that offensive. Since when is business not about making money? KH can not continue product development without a steady stream of money- or else he would need another job. It makes sense (and dollars) to release small improvements every year rather than wait a few years and release them all in one go.
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...or else he would need another job...
... like being a geologist.
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Kris Holm already has another job.

I highly doubt Kris stretches out improvements. He has his unicycle and his team all riding. From his experience and what he sees and hears from other riders, he takes that into consideration, which usually mean only a small thing being tweaked here and there, then after working on it, testing it a lot, he releases it.

Like the latest KH frame being thicker around the crown. Do you really think he already had that made way before flat was a big style, and was thinking "Well, flatland is small right now, so im not going to give this product out. So lets give them this older model and let them use it and rake it, and wait for the best time to release this new frame to get the most sales."?

KH already said how he does his unicycle business and searching ill bring that up plenty of times. Or you can talk to him and personally get your information.
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I don't think Kris has to artificially hold stuff back, it takes ages for things to come through from the original idea. I know the ISIS hub was first designed well over a year before they sorted all the manufacturing.

When you meet him or Roger D, they always have some new little doodad or prototype part or whatever that they're working on.

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I don't think Kris has to artificially hold stuff back, it takes ages for things to come through from the original idea.
Kris doesn't seem to hold stuff back- he releases it and the market is the research team which helps make the improvements for next years model. That way he can get hundreds more riding hours done on the equipment by lots of people rather than relying on testing everything himself in his spare time. Or maybe that is just how it seems because what he is holding back is being held back. There is the secret KH Handle...With all that secrecy it had better be good! If only intellectual property rights could be used for the benefit of everyone instead of everyone claiming ownership of ideas and wanting money for them.
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Crap, when did I missed that? :O
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I remember hearing about him trying out some K1 stuff a while back, so I'm sure he tries other brands as well as his own.

But yeah most of the stuff where you will see him riding something else, is from back in the day, pre KH. Mostly 26" stuff too!
He tried K1 cranks on his KH/Schlumpf hub (look in Uni mag 1 or 2 for a picture)
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How do you know what he is thinking? Speculation... Or mind reading?
Trust, based on time spent with him, personal emails & such. Kris' products do their best to be cutting-edge, and each an improvement on the previous. There's no sense in holding much back, as the product cycle takes about a year anyway. If stuff gets held back, it's probably based on difficulty of manufacture, cost, or not thinking enough people want it (yet).

Like a reinforced head tube, or head/crown joint. No reason to go to the expense of that until it was realized people were breaking the frames there. No amount of pre-market testing is going to show all the faults (especially if they turn out to be defects of manufacture). So though the products are tested hard, a lot more experience is gained when the products go out to large numbers of hard-riding customers.
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...or else he would need another job.
The unicycles are a side job for Kris; not enough to live on. His "day job" (and degree) is in Geology.
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