New Law on bike parts. Must read. - Page 3

Biggestbtc · 2008-12-24, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ThisGuyIKnow

Well reading through that other forum makes me appreciate the civility and lack of vulgarity that we have here.

Word.

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Originally Posted by ThisGuyIKnow

However it might be useful to do a little research on the actual bill and write to your congressman saying that you think the intent of the law is good and explain peacibly that BMX bikes and unicycles bigger than 16" are not toys

Good idea. Otherwise, Joe Unicycler may have to resort to the black market or Craigslist for all his unicycle purchases.

john_childs · 2008-12-24, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Seager

I guess I need to re-read the article, but I thought this was related to the new lead constraint on imports that the FDA or EPA or whoever just made.

It's silly to make domestic products be tested more, we haven't had any issues with those. Is that all toys or just bmx toys?

The VintageBMX thread has some good info and further links. Post #63 has some good info from a USA BMX company. The cost of testing would be unsustainable for companies that do small batch manufacturing.

Tiki Pirate · 2008-12-25, 01:54 AM

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The problem with that theory is that they are requiring BMX parts made in the USA to undergo the same expensive testing. This will not save the made in the USA bike parts industry. The reality is that it will kill the smaller USA BMX companies and all that will be left are the big factories in China and Taiwan.

"As of Nov. 12, nothing shipped after that date can come into the US without proper 3rd party testing for lead, lead content, and phalates and the certified documnents needed to get through customs at port. This includes complete bikes, frames, and all parts with intended us for any bike 24" and under." - From the article linked

From what I read (the first time) it applies to imports only. After rereading it I saw that this will apply to bike parts made in the USA soon as well.

I found an article that has some links, one to the law itself I believe. I will have to read it later. It looks like lawmakers are reconsidering at least parts of the law and have become somewhat sensitive to small businesses needs. Lets hope government can defy their usual anti-logic and work something out that makes sense, provides some accountability; yet, doesn't unfairly hamper small businesses.

Back to my egg nog. I'll have to read up some more and "get back to ya!"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ihx7wD959C7MO0

markf · 2008-12-25, 02:39 AM

this is clearly for all toys, it's just that they're classifying 24 and msaller bikes (and unicycles) as toys, which is kinda dumb, but at the same time, lead is not so cool to have ending up in a landfill after it's life, even on adult products, but this is kinda dumb.

john_childs · 2008-12-25, 03:20 AM

The reason for the regulations isn't to keep lead out of landfills, it is to keep lead out of the mouths of kids who chew on toys.

Jeremy R · 2008-12-25, 03:26 AM

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The reason for the regulations isn't to keep lead out of landfills, it is to keep lead out of the mouths of kids who chew on toys.

+1

Newsflash: Lead is found naturally!

idiorythmic · 2008-12-25, 05:36 AM

Nawww, the regulations are definitely meant to keep lead from creeping into our environment. The stuff about kids chewing on toys is just to scare us into supporting the regulations.

Save the children!

Jerrick · 2008-12-25, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by idiorythmic

Nawww, the regulations are definitely meant to keep lead from creeping into our environment. The stuff about kids chewing on toys is just to scare us into supporting the regulations.

Save the children!

Fact is fact. Kids also will touch lead, not wash their hands, then go rub their eyes and somehow get it into their mouths. I hope the "Its not like kids chew on bikes" was more of a joke than an excuse.

GILD · 2008-12-25, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ThisGuyIKnow

Well reading through that other forum makes me appreciate the civility and lack of vulgarity that we have here.

Absolutely.
And it also serves to strengthen my resolve to politely ask people to refrain from such behaviour on this forum.

ivan · 2008-12-25, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerrick

Fact is fact. Kids also will touch lead, not wash their hands, then go rub their eyes and somehow get it into their mouths. I hope the "Its not like kids chew on bikes" was more of a joke than an excuse.

Fact is fact. After riding your bike on the street there'll be so much dirt on it from god knows where that when you touch your eyes with it, you won't have any of that paint lead. You will get all the dirt from the street, however.

And anyway, I still haven't understood if they're gonna test non-painted objects. If no, then the whole law is just a minor inconvenience.

idiorythmic · 2008-12-25, 04:35 PM

I believe I ingest more lead by eating fish than I would by sucking on lead-tainted toys. That lead in the fish is from the lead we allow to leach into the environment with our careless waste disposal procedures.

Seager · 2008-12-25, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ivan

Fact is fact. After riding your bike on the street there'll be so much dirt on it from god knows where that when you touch your eyes with it, you won't have any of that paint lead. You will get all the dirt from the street, however.

I wasn't aware that dirt was an effective protective barrier against lead. You should let EPA know, they could save a lot of money.

idiorythmic · 2008-12-25, 08:19 PM

Incidentally I went a'researching after my last remark here, and one thing I found is that in populated areas the dirt you get on your uni might actually have lots of lead in it. So might the dust in your home, especially if the home was built before 1978, when lead paint bans went into effect. (in the USA)

Seager · 2008-12-25, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by idiorythmic

So might the dust in your home, especially if the home was built before 1978, when lead paint bans went into effect. (in the USA)

Which is exactly why this law is needed - for imports. I didn't think there were any domestic products that still used lead other than BB gun pellets and things like that.

Naomi · 2008-12-26, 06:38 AM

Then again, maybe this is not all bad news. I am too scared by traffic to want to ride on the road, and a little worried by the law about to riding on the pavement. However if unis of 24 and less are reclassified as toys, any attempt to book me for "riding a vehicle" on the pavement might be countered by a claim that I was just playing with a toy.

As long as someone else gets to test case it first in court of course. In the meantime I will continue to smile sweetly at the policeman. Works every time.

Nao

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2008-12-26, 06:38 AM	#45
Naomi Stupid Asian tart riding that thing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,145	Then again, maybe this is not all bad news. I am too scared by traffic to want to ride on the road, and a little worried by the law about to riding on the pavement. However if unis of 24 and less are reclassified as toys, any attempt to book me for "riding a vehicle" on the pavement might be countered by a claim that I was just playing with a toy. As long as someone else gets to test case it first in court of course. In the meantime I will continue to smile sweetly at the policeman. Works every time. Nao __________________ The dress in which I unicycled was not THAT short, but in retrospect, I think that maybe the blue one would have been more appropriate to the terrain.

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2008-12-25, 02:39 AM	#34
markf movie nerd Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: central iowa Age: 32 Posts: 1,352	this is clearly for all toys, it's just that they're classifying 24 and msaller bikes (and unicycles) as toys, which is kinda dumb, but at the same time, lead is not so cool to have ending up in a landfill after it's life, even on adult products, but this is kinda dumb.

2008-12-25, 05:36 AM	#37
idiorythmic Oddistic Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Moetown Age: 52 Posts: 468	Nawww, the regulations are definitely meant to keep lead from creeping into our environment. The stuff about kids chewing on toys is just to scare us into supporting the regulations. Save the children!

2008-12-25, 04:35 PM	#41
idiorythmic Oddistic Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Moetown Age: 52 Posts: 468	I believe I ingest more lead by eating fish than I would by sucking on lead-tainted toys. That lead in the fish is from the lead we allow to leach into the environment with our careless waste disposal procedures.

2008-12-25, 08:19 PM	#43
idiorythmic Oddistic Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Moetown Age: 52 Posts: 468	Incidentally I went a'researching after my last remark here, and one thing I found is that in populated areas the dirt you get on your uni might actually have lots of lead in it. So might the dust in your home, especially if the home was built before 1978, when lead paint bans went into effect. (in the USA)

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