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TheBadger587 2004-07-21 07:42 AM

Rolling Hop vs. SIF Sidehop
 
Physics only(pretend the rider is as good as it gets) wich one has the highest potential height? (no pedal grabs.) so far it seems that sidehops are the highest, but is that because not enough experimentation has been done with rolling hops? dan heaton is really good at them... it could be an interesting debate.

Robbie 2004-07-21 08:32 AM

Judging by what I've read/seen riders once they get really good seem to be able to hop slightly higher with a rolling hop, only like 5cm or something though.

sabin_a. 2004-07-21 06:47 PM

By far, side hops are way more usefull. The thing with rolling hops, is that you need a lot of space to build up to the hop. As opposed to side hops, side hops can be done in small spaces and would over all be more usefull in trial comps.

-Sabin

duaner 2004-07-21 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by sabin_a.
By far, side hops are way more usefull.
I'd say that depends almost completely on the situation at hand. Anytime one is "just" riding along and a single hop is all that is needed to continue the flow of the ride, I would say the rolling hop is more useful. So the rolling hop would be more useful for curbs, parking blocks, ledges, and single obstacles in otherwise "smooth" trail sections, ....

vivalargo 2004-07-21 07:01 PM

Rolling front hops are perhaps more of a trials trick than something useful on muni, but for harcore muni, rolling forward drops are an indispensible skill. Before I put in a stack of sessions riding stairs and learing to do linked forward drops, there were a lot of muni runs I couldn't do--and still can't do. Before, I tried to make them by stopping and side dropping--but this never worked very well.

JL

TheBadger587 2004-07-21 07:04 PM

Oh i know that both hop styles have their uses. i'm just wondering what people will be doing in high jump competitions once both sidehops and rolling hops have been fully developed by the trials/street riders of tomorrow.

onetrack 2004-07-21 07:46 PM

To say what has already been said, you can't compare usefullness
of rolling hops to the usefullness of side hops. It all depends on your personal style and chosen form of unicycling.

I believe the question was, wich method will lead to a higher hop in it's fully developed potential.

I think that experienced side hoppers can jump as high as they can from their feet. I think the same is true for rolling hoppers.

One difference I can see, is that rolling hoppers can use a greater momentum to assist hopping, because speed is built up pre-hop. This allows more distance/time above the height of the obstacle.

mike

streetrider 2004-07-21 10:47 PM

how useful a hop is depends on the persons style in street the rolling hop is more useful in muni and trials a side hop is more useful

danger_uni 2004-07-21 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by onetrack
To say what has already been said, you can't compare usefullness
of rolling hops to the usefullness of side hops. It all depends on your personal style and chosen form of unicycling.

mike

If you're talking about ideal situations in both cases, this has yet to be decided. Currently the only measured situation for records purposes is jumping over a bar. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the unoffiicial records for sidehop and rolling hop over a bar are about 95cm (Ryan Atkins) and 87cm (Dan Heaton or Jacinto, not sure), respectively. So in this case sidehop is bigger so far, but since there are less than a dozen riders worldwide who can come close to these numbers, we really don't know which is highest.

For Munis, the heavier wheel means that sidehops are probably the way to go for high sidehops. The unofficial record sidehop over a bar for a 24" MUni is 87.5cm, interestingly not much less than with a trials uni.

For any hop in less than ideal situations, even slightly less than ideal, sidehops will always win, because you aren't nearly as disadvantaged by a bad takeoff.

For ideal takeoffs, a rolling hop may win out for riders with equal skills in both types (which is usually no one!), because you can impact near but not actually on top of an obstacle, and let momentum take you the last little bit. This is especially advantageous for hopping onto less than vertically sided obstacles, because you can boof up the last bit to the top.

Kris

Robbie 2004-07-22 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by danger_uni
So in this case sidehop is bigger so far, but since there are less than a dozen riders worldwide who can come close to these numbers, we really don't know which is highest.
Go Tomsey!

But back to the subject... I think sidehops are bigger for over a bar, because with seat out you can lift the wheel higher than you can with a rolling hop. But when onto something, you are able to push the wheel out in front of you in a rolling hop because you have the momentum, then once it's up stop it on the table and your momentum will carry you up.

So sidehops have a clear advantage over rolling hops overa bar... but it's a bit of a different story onto something. Ryan Atkins said in Universe 2 that his rolling hop was better than his sidehop. 97cm to 92cm or something. That's obviously not the updated version because someone said he can do 95cm sidehop now but I dunno whether they're both over a bar, both onto something, or whether sidehop over a bar and the roling hop is over something.

one wheeled stallion 2004-07-22 11:34 AM

How high in cm was the pallet stack that Dan Heaton did in U2? I think rolling hops will always lack the consistency of side hops, but I personally feel that rolling hops have more potential for height but not by much.

pete66 2004-07-22 04:08 PM

This one's obvious, rolling S.I.F. hops are the way to go.

danger_uni 2004-07-22 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by pete66
This one's obvious, rolling S.I.F. hops are the way to go.
I'm not sure about that. It *seems* obvious and I've worked on it and so has Ryan Atkins and probably others, and it works OK but so far not at the level of either regular SIF hops or static hops.

So far, it seems like you require even more perfect takeoff surfaces than regular rolling hops, and you can't launch with the same speed although maybe you could if you were super good at SIF riding. I'd love to see someone get really good at this though.

Kris

Murde Mental 2004-07-22 04:46 PM

Yeah one of the things I've been practising is seat out rolling hop.
It works some of the time but then again some of the time it doesn't. I also find it very tiring to keep more than for a few run-ups.

muniracer 2004-07-22 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by one wheeled stallion
I think rolling hops will always lack the consistency of side hops, but I personally feel that rolling hops have more potential for height but not by much.
i disagree. while my best rolling hop (71) is not as high as my highest SIF (i like the acronym) hop (85), i can land rolling hops every time, very rarely failing. with the SIF hop the consistancy is far less. i prefer SIF hops because you dont need preparation space.


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